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Re: Hoplite Shield Designs - Idomeneas - 06-23-2006 Quote:Khaire, it must be the city of Abdera judging from coins. Re: Hoplite Shield Designs - Arthes - 06-23-2006 Khaire Idomeneas Quote:it must be the city of Abdera judging from coins.thank you. That could suit me very well......! regards Arthes Re: Hoplite Shield Designs - hoplite14gr - 06-23-2006 TOP TABLE 1st row Sikyon(classsic), Arkdic league, Achean league, Hipaspists (Philip II) 2nd row Jolkos, Falena, (under research), Tenedos 3rd row Korinthos,Korinthos, Anaktorio, Leukas MIDDLE TABLE 1st row Argos(king) Stymphalia (king) Argos(hieros lochos) Stymphalia (bodyguard) 2nd row Argive hoplite, Opundian Locrian, Zangle, Rhodian league 3rd row Wild dove (Sikyon archaic)- Red Eagle of Flegyae, "Holy war" hoplites, Bakchiadae of Corinthos/Sikyon BOTTOM TABLE 1st row Sparta, "Holy war" hoplites, Trikka, Beotean "Spartos" 2nd row under research, Elis "logadae", Deleian League, Sparta 3rd row Athens Thavlonidae clan Athens Alkmeonidae clan And Christina Griffin is associates with 3 cities but not Abdera. It is possible that the coins found in Abdera come from Fokea or even Avae Kind regards Re: Hoplite Shield Designs - Idomeneas - 06-23-2006 by the way allow me to explain something. the assigments of blazons to cities in some cases may not be absolutely accurate as they were made for the needs of a mod and withing game engine limitations (i dont think people here realy care to know how rtw works). In the mod there are many many hoplite units and each has unique blazon so you understand the need to bend some rules here and there in order to have enough blazons for all. Its not just an illustration case where you can easy get away with few cliches :lol: so by no means the names of cities are suggested as historic reference. I just show a sample of work on blazons. The designes themselves if you like. BTW Stefanos im really glad to see you know many about city blazons. I would like to ask you if in the present day there is a book devoted in greek blazons categorized by city. Im graphic designer and im deeply interested in the subject. If there is not a book maybe we should make one those blazons here where made by a friend of mine who is graphic designer also and interested in greek culture as well. I also had touched abit the subject ohelping on a diplomatic work of a fellow designer themed as ''from rockpaintings to logos'' If you have infos about bibliography please enlight me thanks Re: Hoplite Shield Designs - hoplite14gr - 06-23-2006 Well me and G. Iliopoulos are working on it. That is why I do not give full explanation about "why and what" here. We have refernces to back up our arguments but ee have to remake most of our work in the light of new archaological evidence - especially about Athenian clans. Using only coinage is the easy way out but does not explain everything. Kind regards Re: Hoplite Shield Designs - Idomeneas - 06-23-2006 Quote:Well me and G. Iliopoulos are working on it. well thats very good news i hope it will be translated atleast in english as unfortunatelly the main target group is outside Greece Any help you might need in graphics shoot this way :wink: Re: Hoplite Shield Designs - Zenodoros - 06-29-2006 Hello. the bottom two are of course lamthas, which were used afterwards. The bull's head was the Mora emblem of Elos. The black boar was the emblem of people near the Arcadian border. The leopard was the emblem of Messenians(?). The Gorgon was the emblem of the homoioi. The rooster was the emblem of Amykale (the rooster was a creature associated with Apollo) The hawk (usually with a white outline) began as the emblem of the Skiritai and evolved as a homoioi commander blazan. The scorpian and goose uses are unknown. By some point these emblems were probably shared by all in the Lakedemonian army. The king and his bodyguards probably used the dokana of the Dioscuri, which seems to have been used by kings as early as 7th-6th century. Re: Hoplite Shield Designs - Robert Vermaat - 06-29-2006 Hi Zenodoros, I've sent you a PM. Re: Hoplite Shield Designs - hoplite14gr - 06-29-2006 Each mora had each own shield device but the commander was distinguished by the traverse or high crest and not from his shield device that was identical to the rest of his command. The Messenians did not have the leopard as emblem or else the Spartans would not have accepted it. The Skiritan hawk in most pottery appears white with red outline or dark gray on white background. The king was curring the solar symbol not the dokana. I just managed to pin point the skorpion and the goose emblems yesterday after a night of hard academic work. More when the book comes out. The artwork appearing with the link that I gave has been carefully researched and it is not a simple artist´s impresion. Kind regards Re: Hoplite Shield Designs - Ramesses II - 06-29-2006 Quote:there are plenty more and i mean plenty The links don't show the other imagines ? (I get a X when I try...) Re: Hoplite Shield Designs - Zenodoros - 06-29-2006 Quote:Each mora had each own shield device but the commander was distinguished by the traverse or high crest and not from his shield device that was identical to the rest of his command. Stefanos, Did you write the article here? This was where most of my information came from. Interesting that the king wore the solar emblem. Thanks. Re: Hoplite Shield Designs - hoplite14gr - 06-30-2006 Yes I wrote it. The Solar Symbol in the from of the Sun with rays or the swastix started reappearing at the end of Geometric to the begin of Archaic Era. It was used to mark the new warrior elites protected by Apollo and Athena as opposed to the older elites patroned by Ares (Mars). In ILIAD that composed at that time we see even mortals guided by "solar" dieties defying "darker" dieties. Kind regards Re: Hoplite Shield Designs - hoplite14gr - 07-03-2006 Yes, can you give me more details about this one location etc.? Re: Hoplite Shield Designs - Arthes - 07-03-2006 Quote:That is one aspis design I love....but I found it was used by Leonidashoplite14gr:3lgqf4km Wrote:The Solar Symbol in the from of the Sun with rays or the swastix started reappearing at the end of Geometric to the begin of Archaic Era. so I would not feel right doing so... Re: Hoplite Shield Designs - Comerus Gallus - 07-03-2006 Cristy you have Eagle EYES! hock: ....OOPS I confused Aspis shield for Spears :oops: |