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Cosmetics; Sally Pointer on the London tin - richsc - 02-20-2005
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Hi Richard,<br>
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I was lucky enough to have been involved with a little of the work on the tin, and its certainly a fascinating find. We'd known for a while that most of the cosmetic pigments used to whiten the face worked best when applied with a fatty cream (the makeover experiment used chalk on a fat base for example), and that starch/flour based whites were also plausible cosmetics, but to find fat, starch and a whitening agent all combined together was really exciting. As far as I know, its he first known use of tin in this way, and we presume for the moment that it was being used as a substitute for white lead- the makers may not have known that it was safer, just that it was a good available white.<br>
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My own experiemnts suggest that a water phase may have been needed to get a really smoth cream, but that also could just reflect a differentce in the way the fat was processed. Best of all for re-enactors, this is an easily reproduced cream. Its not 100% accurate of course but combining equal parts of lard or veg shortening with cornflour then adding just a little cosmetic white pigment does approximate it quite well, and means that real experiments can be made into the practicalities of wearing such cosmetic bases over the course of a day. Using beef fat and precipitated wheat starch is even better, but less accessible to many people.<br>
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As for other books, Professor Donato's book is worth having- 'The Fragrant Past, perfumes of Cleopatra and Julius Caesar'. Theres a booklist on the EarlyPerfume yahoo group which I moderate, some of your ladies may enjoy exploring that and the files there, especially if they want to explore cosmetics in more depth.<br>
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cheers<br>
Sally <p>Legio XX Caupona Asellinae</p><i></i>
Re: Cosmetics; Sally Pointer on the London tin - Lepidina - 03-01-2005
Authenticity or not, the last thing I want to wear on my face in the middle of Summer is lard. Fortunately, I have the pasty white Celtic-Nordic complexion and probably wouldn't have needed to whiten my face as a Roman.<br>
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Deb <p></p><i></i>
tin - Musivarius - 03-07-2005
I've had a friend ask me about this tin, is it on show in London and are there any images anywhere of it with the dimensions etc?<br>
Lawrence <p></p><i></i>
that tin - richsc - 03-07-2005
Ought to give Sally an email. At least she's seen it! <p></p><i></i>
tin - Musivarius - 03-18-2005
Rich,<br>
Amazing I got on without having to hack my way through a load of pop-ups Do you have Sally's email address?<br>
Cheers<br>
Lawrence <p></p><i></i>
Sally Pointer contact info - richsc - 03-19-2005
She also has a new book coming out, though it is not just about Roman cosmetics. "The Artifice of Beauty" in May 2005.<br>
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[email protected] <p></p><i></i>