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RE: Can the Feltwell Spatha be used for a late 4th c./early 5th c. Roman re-enactment? - Flavivs Aetivs - 09-23-2017

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RE: Can the Feltwell Spatha be used for a late 4th c./early 5th c. Roman re-enactment? - Crispianus - 10-05-2017

There are other chronologies then Miks (which I dont have yet though I've had it on order from the library for ages) the one I have is "Illerup Adal, Die Schwerter" which I highly recommend and pretty much cover swords from Northern Europe, "Osterburken-Kamathen" is there classified as "Osterburken-Vrasselt" and includes 13 swords of which one is "Kamathen".
The text says there are only fragments of the organic components of grips and impossible to tell the form, however one example from Vrasselt had decorated boat shaped metal plates for the guard and pommel and there was at least some ivory involved, the suggestion there is that these are Nydam type grips.... none of this type exists at illerup.

Osterburken-Vrasselt plus sub type 13 swords total, from the above vol.
   

Nydam Swords from Denmark in the early iron age
   

The Cumberland Hilt added here for its similarity to No4 from Nydam.
   

Source: http://www.barbicanra.co.uk/assets/pd-appendix-2-typology.pdf


RE: Can the Feltwell Spatha be used for a late 4th c./early 5th c. Roman re-enactment? - Flavivs Aetivs - 10-06-2017

Awesome post, thanks. Yeah as far as I can tell the Osterburken Grips generally fall under Germanic Type-I (Not sure if Cumberland falls under that, it's later) which the no.4 from Nydam and the hilt from Samsun both belong to.

Hexagonal/Octagonal grips seem to be a uniquely 5th century trend, I think? Not sure.


RE: Can the Feltwell Spatha be used for a late 4th c./early 5th c. Roman re-enactment? - Flavivs Aetivs - 10-06-2017

I have a copy of the Miks book with me. Interestingly enough I can't find the Feltwell listed.

Pouan is an Osterburken-Kemathen blade, much as I suspected (p. 708-709).


RE: Can the Feltwell Spatha be used for a late 4th c./early 5th c. Roman re-enactment? - deepeeka - 12-12-2022

(09-07-2017, 07:09 PM)FlavivsĀ Aetivs Wrote: Hello there!

The Spatha was developed from the Sassanian Swords of the 3rd century and the Roman swords of the 1st-2nd centuries AD.

The "Feltwell Spatha" possess a hexagonal (in hindsight I should have had Gagan make it a shallow fuller) Illerup-Whyl type blade and a Germanic Type-I handle, which makes it ideal for the Early 4th through Early 5th centuries AD. The scabbard chape, slider, and mouthband are also consistent with this time period.

So in short: yes.

Hi,
I am not sure what you mean-- can you explain- let me see what I can still do.
Pictures would be nice

Gagan