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Obscene Insults - MonsGraupius - 08-31-2017

[note this is a copy of a threat in the Roman forum http://www.romanarmytalk.com/thread-30575.html]

In Norse Sagas there are examples of ritual exchange of insults before a battle called flytings in which combatants make obscene comments about each other generally suggesting they were not men & liked to take the passive role in sex, etc.

I've come across numerous authors who suggest that a similar exchange of vulgarities occurred before Greek and Roman battles, either single combat or army to army, but despite intensive searching I've been completely unable to find any actual examples.

In part the problem is our Victorian antiquarians who intentionally mistranslated many obscene words, in part it's because modern authors who for example use the phrase "impregnate yourself on this" in place of the more obvious phrase.

Another possibility is that the Greek/Latin authors whilst referring to these insults - never document them.

Or maybe ... because I'm basing what to expect on the way modern soldiers speak, I'm expecting to find some pretty obscene insults ... and the reality is that Greeks and Romans soldiers were a very shy lot when it came to insults.

Whilst it would be interesting to see what was actually said, all I'm looking for is a Greek or Roman writer who unambiguously describes the nature of these pre-battle insults.

Any help gratefully received.


RE: Obscene Insults - Feinman - 08-31-2017

This PDF might be of use:

http://research.ncl.ac.uk/histos/documents/Ch.2.LateinerInsultsandHumiliations.pdf


RE: Obscene Insults - MonsGraupius - 08-31-2017

(08-31-2017, 05:37 PM)Feinman Wrote: This PDF might be of use:

http://research.ncl.ac.uk/histos/documents/Ch.2.LateinerInsultsandHumiliations.pdf

Not the easiest paper to go through - but I think I've found something in it.

Thanks


RE: Obscene Insults - Feinman - 08-31-2017

(08-31-2017, 07:16 PM)MonsGraupius Wrote:
(08-31-2017, 05:37 PM)Feinman Wrote: This PDF might be of use:

http://research.ncl.ac.uk/histos/documents/Ch.2.LateinerInsultsandHumiliations.pdf

Not the easiest paper to go through - but I think I've found something in it.

Thanks

You bet, hope it helps!