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Phalera constructions - deepeeka - 12-31-2014
Hi Guys
I am in the process of designing a new phalera with the help of Rado. What I am confused about is how these individual plates were mounted on the leather. Right now, we have used screws as in the past. Please help. I can agree that this is normally acceptable, since our purpose has been to be seen from a few feet away, where it does not show the back at all, but any inputs in this regard, would be helpful.
Gagan
Phalera constructions - Titus Marius Secundus - 12-31-2014
Hey guys, is this one legit? Different pictures show the back to be as a pin.
http://101antiquesword.com/Ancient-Roman-Silver-Military-Armour-Phalera-with-Marcus-Aurelius-2nd-Century-AD
Regards, Sam.
Phalera constructions - deepeeka - 12-31-2014
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Phalera constructions - LUCIUS ALFENUS AVITIANUS - 12-31-2014
Sam, the piece you have posted is not roman, or at least not a phalera.
Phalera constructions - PhilusEstilius - 12-31-2014
As Cesar has pointed out that is indeed not a phalera but here is a picture that shows the Lauersfort Phalerae, with also a picture of the reverse that shows three rings to hold the pieces onto the leather harness.
The rings went through slots in the leather and were held by split pins here is a picture of one of a set of the Lauersfort that I am currently making, it shows how I have fitted the plates with holes for split pins.
The metal at the edge of the disc is the very thin metal of the phalera that is hand made as were the originals.
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Phalera constructions - Renatus - 12-31-2014
This is a link to Val Maxfield's book on Roman military decorations. See the illustrations on pp. 93 & 94.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Nuex2PW7QR0C&printsec=frontcover&dq=roman+military+decorations&hl=en&sa=X&ei=LNmjVNShNoTvaO_3gGA&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=roman%20military%20decorations&f=false
Phalera constructions - Titus Marius Secundus - 12-31-2014
My apologies I stand corrected. "SOLD Ancient Roman Silver Military Armour Phalera with Marcus Aurelius 2nd Century AD" turned out to be a total lie! Fooled me! :x
Thanks for the pictures of the originals.
Regards, Sam.
Phalera constructions - deepeeka - 01-01-2015
These pins look like a great idea- only it seems to make tge leather belts in the back very wide. Also, i assume you need to pass rivets thru them to hold on to the leather.
We wa nt to make our models in a way that you can interchange disks.
Any suggestions.
Gagan
Phalera constructions - ANTONIVS MAGNVS - 01-01-2015
Why not sell them individually without the leather harness?
Phalera constructions - deepeeka - 01-01-2015
Jay
I would love to do that- but as you are aware our model is built around manufacturing- wholesale. I cannot retail one piece by one piece. We are not geared up for that. It will be upto retailers and distributors to do that.
Gagan
Phalera constructions - Sextus Saturninus - 01-01-2015
Well you could sell all the phalerae together in a set and then let people arrange them as they like on their own harness.
Phalera constructions - deepeeka - 01-01-2015
Jason
As I said, that is for the dealers to decide.
Gagan
Phalera constructions - Renatus - 01-01-2015
Quote:These pins look like a great idea- only it seems to make tge leather belts in the back very wide. Also, i assume you need to pass rivets thru them to hold on to the leather.If you look at the illustrations in Val Maxfield's book (see my post above), you will see that the straps are quite narrow and that the discs are held to them by split pins through the loops at the back. This would make the discs easily interchangeable.
We wa nt to make our models in a way that you can interchange disks.
Any suggestions.
Gagan
Phalera constructions - PhilusEstilius - 01-01-2015
Here is a picture of the Lauersfort Phalerae that I am currently making and these are the only ones to be found made in the true and authentic fashion as the originals were done.
The earlier picture I posted shows how the hand made picture is wrapped onto the back plate.
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Phalera constructions - PhilusEstilius - 01-01-2015
Where Valerie Maxfield refers to the Lauersfort pieces she claims that the name scratched onto each of the back plates Medamii as being a second owner of these phalerae, this is not so for very like the other set of back plates found at Trmontium each plate there has a name on it Domitii Aticii which is very clearly the makers of the pieces in both cases.