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Ring pommel sword - munazio planco - 10-13-2014
Avete omnes
A my reproduction of a ring pommel sword....
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Ring pommel sword - leonardo - 10-14-2014
Very nice sword. I am surprised by several of your decisions.
Are mouth chapes attested for these swords?
Also I believed that chapes were mostly of the box shape or pelta. Isn´t this style later?
I really don´t know, I did a ring pommel sword myself without proper investigation work I suppose...
Ring pommel sword - munazio planco - 10-14-2014
In my opinion for the roman ring pommel swords is possible to use all the style of point typical od the late roman sword for the scabbard.and in my opinion the chapes mouth was in all the roman sword from the hispaniensis to the late roman.
Ring pommel sword - leonardo - 10-14-2014
Quote:.and in my opinion the chapes mouth was in all the roman sword from the hispaniensis to the late roman.
Which of course makes a lot of sense.
But I found this wonderful complete example.
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The bridge is so obviously upside down that makes me wonder if the specimen was not found with all the pieces together and the mouth chape was simply lost to time (scabbard fittings in this one seem to be iron)
What do you think?
Ring pommel sword - munazio planco - 10-14-2014
Leonardo if you look the scabbard is desappiring,there are only some fragments....the slide was soldered whit the time whit the blade so was remained .
Ring pommel sword - leonardo - 10-14-2014
Do you say that the bridge slide is soldered to the blade? Because I have the pdf file of the site and it is a separate piece.
Or are you suggesting that the mouth chape was corroed entirely and thus is part of the scabbard?
There are some xray scans there in the file. I cannot see anything resembling a chape, but this iron fittings are unussual enough to focus in another.
Do you have pics of mouth chapes of thi period? I mean related to three studed or pelta chapes you can share?
I´ve love to make some mouth chapes for my spathas. If I only have an example to copy.
thanks in advance
Ring pommel sword - munazio planco - 10-14-2014
leonardo,wait a minute
I immagine that the slide is soldered because you show me the picture were look like was soldered.but if you tell me that in others picture the slide is alone i can believe.
There are a really stupid and not scientific tendence of the responsable of the museums around europe to take the reperts and to assemble whitout sense.Mostly the single parts of thenscabbards were found alone.
If you have the Miks book there you can see some different reperts that is possible to hundestand there are mouth of scabbards.
Ring pommel sword - leonardo - 10-14-2014
Isn´t Mik´s book sold out long time ago?
I understand there are lots of mouth chapes but I just don´t remember to see anyone associated to ring pommel swords. But I have seen lots of chapes and bridges though
Ring pommel sword - brennivs - tony drake - 10-19-2014
Excellent work again Munazio, You should have dropped me a line for info on Ring Pommels. Its nice to see others doing this type of sword :lol: To answer one of Leonardos points nearly all ring finds do not have any evidence of mouth chapes, but I know of one find with a chape mouth which Rado posted on my thread;
http://www.romanarmytalk.com/20-roman-re-enactment-a-reconstruction/321793-ring-pommel-gladivs.html
I have put them on all my ring swords as they were to be used in Cavalry displays and I wanted the mouth with a bit of extra strength when drawing the blade. As yet for most of all late swords there is very very few swords with a mouth chape. Keep up the good work
Regards Brennivs