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Can Anyone Identify This Bronze Belt Plate? - Creon01 - 02-25-2014
This belt is offered by AURIFICINA TREVERICA.
The description says "Republican belt found in a military camp in Numantia, Spain, mid 2.century B.C. to 1st century B.C."
I've asked them about the source of the plate design, but perhaps they are on holiday in a warm location. My searches so far have turned up nothing that looks like the plate in question, but I know Erik and Ira are well regarded for their research and I'm impatient to know.
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Can Anyone Identify This Bronze Belt Plate? - Thomas V. - 02-26-2014
No pics of said belt plates, unfortunately, but in "[hide]Of Belts and Men: The Roman Military Belt of the 1st Century A.D.[/hide]" Andrew Magee claims: "In addition to openwork plates, solid plates also come from [Numantia]. Some use only incised lines in simple hash mark designs [...] (p. 148)."
Regarding Numantia, Magee lists the following to sources:
- [hide]http://books.google.de/books/about/Numantia.html?id=7hM8AAAAMAAJ&redir_esc=y[/hide]
- [hide]http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/295863?uid=3737864&uid=2129&uid=2&uid=70&uid=4sid=21103584707853[/hide]
Can Anyone Identify This Bronze Belt Plate? - mcbishop - 02-26-2014
Quote:"[hide]Of Belts and Men: The Roman Military Belt of the 1st Century A.D.[/hide]" Andrew Magee claimsWow, what a lot of other people's illustrations! I hope he's got a good lawyer ;-)
Mike Bishop
Can Anyone Identify This Bronze Belt Plate? - Flavivs Aetivs - 02-26-2014
A quick images search and I got several RTW campaigns, a movie poster for October Sky, but no belt plates.
Can Anyone Identify This Bronze Belt Plate? - Doc - 02-26-2014
Well Joe,
They may have a reputation of making good reproductions but I look at some of their object and often wonder where the evidence is. Overall, I'd say he is a good smith but in my opinion far from great. I sometimes doubt what he writes. Just my two cents.......
Can Anyone Identify This Bronze Belt Plate? - Decebalus - 02-26-2014
You will find a plate of this type attached to the round breastplate from Numantia.
See Mr. Bishop's "Roman Military Equipment" p. 64 fig. 31.
In the book by M. Luik, "Die Funde aus den römischen Lagern um Numantia im Römisch-Germanischen Zentralmuseum" (Mainz 2002) there is a second plate now attached to the top of the breastplate and an identical third piece which is catalogued as a possible beltplate.
Can Anyone Identify This Bronze Belt Plate? - Creon01 - 02-26-2014
Thank you.
Do you have any scans from the German book?
Can Anyone Identify This Bronze Belt Plate? - Decebalus - 02-26-2014
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[attachment=9133]Breastplate_Numantia.jpg[/attachment]