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Agamemnon\'s Helmet - Feinman - 12-20-2013
Wow! Very cool! Thanks for that. Yep, Homer's helmets. Here is a link to a thread about an Achilles kegelhelm I am working on that is similar to what Dan's will be like: http://z8.invisionfree.com/Bronze_Age_Center/index.php?showtopic=1870
Agamemnon\'s Helmet - Feinman - 12-20-2013
Also on Page 154 of that book there is a depiction of warriors with kegelhems.
Agamemnon\'s Helmet - Giannis K. Hoplite - 12-20-2013
Todd, i've seen some of your other work before, and failed to congratulate you! Excellent work, in a field few armourers have touched.
The helmets on the book are indeed kegelhelms but they also have some vague resemblance to the "islander" type.
Khaire
Giannis
Agamemnon\'s Helmet - Feinman - 12-20-2013
Quote:Todd, i've seen some of your other work before, and failed to congratulate you! Excellent work, in a field few armourers have touched.
The helmets on the book are indeed kegelhelms but they also have some vague resemblance to the "islander" type.
Khaire
Giannis
Thanks Giannis! I've been lurking and admiring your posts for some time now. I am a novice armourer, but I have managed to lure Jeffrey Hildebrandt into the Bronze Age now and again! Hehehe :evil:
Agamemnon\'s Helmet - Feinman - 12-21-2013
The great thing about that crescent plaque and the Mykonos Vase (which obviously depicts a siege engine or its visual metaphor, as it even has wheels on its hooves) is that not only are the hollow-eyed helmets depicted, but also the rest of the Homeric panoply --the large round shields, greaves, cuirass-mitra combination Naue II swords, etc.
Agamemnon\'s Helmet - Dan Howard - 02-15-2015
Quote:Hello Dan.
Take a look at this E-Book http://www.latsis-foundation.org/megazine/publish/ebook.php?book=72&preloader=1
All the book is great but you might find p.158 particularly interesting
Khaire
Giannis
Does anyone have any info about this plaque? Where was it found and which century is it dated to?
[attachment=11784]Kegelhelm.jpg[/attachment]
Agamemnon\'s Helmet - Feinman - 02-15-2015
This crescent plaque was found in the Heraion temple well on Samos (IIRC), placed there as one of the earliest votive offerings. It is usually dated to the 8th century BCE, likely because of the orientalizing crest holders depicted (commonly believed to be derived from Assyrian helmet crests). In Dezso's typology, the helmets depicted are classified as "false Corinthians"; the helmet bowl is possibly one piece (or two), and the cheekpieces are riveted on. Similar cheekpieces were found at Olympia, but as they were found as separate pieces, they could be from this type of helmet, or according to Dezso, a different unknown kegelhelm variant.
A reference:
https://books.google.com/books?id=pKuu1FYqdcAC&pg=PA14&dq=heraion+of+samos+bronze+plaque+heracles&hl=en&sa=X&ei=dEngVLvGHIurogSZgIGwAQ&ved=0CBIQ6AEwAA