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Armae: constructing a Kalkriese lorica segmentata - Tarbicus - 03-02-2013
Cross-posted from a Beginners section seg topic, as I thought it was worth its own topic.
Armae have blog posts for building a Kalkriese seg.
Building your own lorica segmentata episode 1
Building your own lorica segmentata episode 2
Original French versions:
Construire sa propre lorica segmentata… épisode 1
Construire sa propre lorica segmentata… épisode 2
Armae: constructing a Kalkriese lorica segmentata - 66kbm - 03-02-2013
Not so much the Seggies but re the Galic F helmet alterations from the Deepeeka one, the site was invaluable, highly accurate.
Checking the link is good but i dont know enough about Seggies to comment.
Kevin
Armae: constructing a Kalkriese lorica segmentata - Helvetus - 03-02-2013
Thanks ^__^
I'll take this segmentata discussion opportunity to ask another stupid noob question that popped in my head these past few days when reading and seeing things about roman armours. ;-)
Blame my poor english fot the lack of clarity in this explication:
I have seen LS more "shaped", that seemed more precisely fitted and adjusted in the waist, with the impression than every band is a different shape and better articulated; on the other side, you have LS that are "straighter", like a cylinder.
Is this just a matter of preference? Artisan skills? Is there one more accurate than the other?
And a side question: do we know if the number of bands was fixed, or is it something that depends of the anatomy of the wearer?
Armae: constructing a Kalkriese lorica segmentata - 66kbm - 03-02-2013
Make it and "squish" it to shape in the roundage to the individual
Makes sense to me.
Kevin
There are plenty more people than me that are more qualified than i to give you advice on this subject and i am sure that there are previous threads relating to this aricle on RAT
Kevin
Armae: constructing a Kalkriese lorica segmentata - Helvetus - 03-02-2013
I'll try to find pictures of what I mean.
It is as if on some LS (the "shaped/curved" ones) the bands were "trapezoidals", larger in the center and thinner on the sides, matching the silhouette better, when on others (straight cylinders ones) the bands are even and straight.
Armae: constructing a Kalkriese lorica segmentata - Tarbicus - 03-02-2013
Quote:Is this just a matter of preference? Artisan skills? Is there one more accurate than the other?Good references:
Lorica Segmentata Vol.I
Lorica Segmentata Vol.II
Page 109 of Vol.I:
"GIRTH HOOP
Curved ferrous plate that is one of the components of a lower unit. Shaped to fit the torso, each plate is paired with a mate on the opposite side of the body. Fastened using tie loops (Corbridge types) or tie rings and slots (Newstead)"
Armae: constructing a Kalkriese lorica segmentata - Helvetus - 03-02-2013
Thanks Tarbicus, I had them saved in my "awesome stuff to read"-list, didn't have the time though, just skipped through.
One can see an exemple of what I mean by "adjusted/shaped" p.80-81 (89-90 on scribd), opposed to the straight one p.41 (50).
Armae: constructing a Kalkriese lorica segmentata - Crispvs - 03-02-2013
Why is it that whenever anyone reconstructs a Kalkriese type segmantata, they always use Corbridge type tie loops to produce a hybrid armour, rather than following Mike Bishop's own suggestion of straps and buckles rivetted directly to the girth hoops, just like the straps on the extant breast plate?
As Bishop says in LS1, this would make sense of the huge number of finds of stray Kalkriese type buckles, which are out of all proportion to the numbers of other Kalkriese fitting which have been found, as well as explaining the lack of any other recognisable type of closure method in the same contexts.
Crispvs
Armae: constructing a Kalkriese lorica segmentata - Tarbicus - 03-02-2013
Crispus, at Matt Amt's site: NOTES ON THE KALKRIESE STYLE LORICA SEGMENTATA
The tie loops are for a conjectural Kalkriese Type B, based on a Hod Hill tie loop with scalloped ends, and the hinged strap and buckle fittings more like the Corbridge type.
A discussion from six years ago: Kalkriese seg reconstruction?
If the preference is for buckle and strap girth plates, Arik Greenberg points out that the buckles and straps should be placed near the bottom of the girth plate for articulation purposes.
Armae: constructing a Kalkriese lorica segmentata - Gaius Colletti - 03-04-2013
Quote:I'll try to find pictures of what I mean.
It is as if on some LS (the "shaped/curved" ones) the bands were "trapezoidals", larger in the center and thinner on the sides, matching the silhouette better, when on others (straight cylinders ones) the bands are even and straight.
I think I know what you mean, did you mean like this Helvetus?
[attachment=6607]CenturionLS.JPG[/attachment]
This is a prop armor from the movie "Centurion" a couple years ago.
Here is a picture of me in my LS, I have an athletic build, but I don't have an impossible skinny "V" shape torso lol. I think the "V" shape of the movie armor was due to the fact that an actual person wasn't wearing it, so the bottom plates could be tied tighter
Armae: constructing a Kalkriese lorica segmentata - Gaius Colletti - 03-04-2013
Quote:I'll try to find pictures of what I mean.
It is as if on some LS (the "shaped/curved" ones) the bands were "trapezoidals", larger in the center and thinner on the sides, matching the silhouette better, when on others (straight cylinders ones) the bands are even and straight.
I think I know what you mean, did you mean like this Helvetus?
[attachment=6608]CenturionLS.JPG[/attachment]
This is a prop armor from the movie "Centurion" a couple years ago.
Here is a picture of me in my LS, I have an athletic build, but I don't have an impossible skinny "V" shape torso lol. I think the "V" shape of the movie armor was due to the fact that an actual person wasn't wearing it, so the bottom plates could be tied tighter
Armae: constructing a Kalkriese lorica segmentata - Gaius Colletti - 03-04-2013
Quote:I'll try to find pictures of what I mean.
It is as if on some LS (the "shaped/curved" ones) the bands were "trapezoidals", larger in the center and thinner on the sides, matching the silhouette better, when on others (straight cylinders ones) the bands are even and straight.
I think I know what you mean, did you mean like this Helvetus?
This is a prop armor from the movie "Centurion" a couple years ago.
Here is a picture of me in my LS, I have an athletic build, but I don't have an impossible skinny "V" shape torso lol. I think the "V" shape of the movie armor was due to the fact that an actual person wasn't wearing it, so the bottom plates could be tied tighter
Armae: constructing a Kalkriese lorica segmentata - Gaius Colletti - 03-04-2013
Quote:I'll try to find pictures of what I mean.
It is as if on some LS (the "shaped/curved" ones) the bands were "trapezoidals", larger in the center and thinner on the sides, matching the silhouette better, when on others (straight cylinders ones) the bands are even and straight.
I think I know what you mean, did you mean like this Helvetus?
[attachment=6609]CenturionLS.JPG[/attachment]
This is a prop armor from the movie "Centurion" a couple years ago.
Here is a picture of me in my LS, I have an athletic build, but I don't have an impossible skinny "V" shape torso lol. I think the "V" shape of the movie armor was due to the fact that an actual person wasn't wearing it, so the bottom plates could be tied tighter
Armae: constructing a Kalkriese lorica segmentata - ANTONIVS MAGNVS - 03-05-2013
My Kalkriese seg has the leather straps and buckles around the girth hoops with simple square hinges on the shoulder plates. It takes a while to get into it the first time but once the back straps are done up to the proper spot it is very easy to get in and out of by yourself. It's just like opening up the front of a jacket. With the straps riveted to the girth hoops you can pull each one tight to get a "tailored" look.