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Mycaenean Eqeta Warriors, KORYVANTES Association - Agonis - 01-03-2013

KORYVANTES Association, proudly present 3 new Mycenaean Eqeta Warriors armors


http://www.flickr.com/photos/koryvantes/8339294004

http://www.flickr.com/photos/koryvantes/8339430570

http://www.flickr.com/photos/koryvantes/8339687146

http://www.flickr.com/photos/koryvantes/8338589795


Mycaenean Eqeta Warriors, KORYVANTES Association - Dan Howard - 01-03-2013

Nice work but I'm not sure I agree with the second interpretation. We need more Mycenaeans, though. Crack out the polish - bronze armour should shine like the sun.


Mycaenean Eqeta Warriors, KORYVANTES Association - Flavivs Aetivs - 01-04-2013

Moved to Greek Re-Enactment and Re-Construction


Mycaenean Eqeta Warriors, KORYVANTES Association - hoplite14gr - 01-04-2013

About their weapons here:

http://stefanosskarmintzos.wordpress.com/2013/01/02/the-exotic-weapons-of-the-bronze-age-greek-warriors/


Mycaenean Eqeta Warriors, KORYVANTES Association - pmel018 - 01-06-2013

Very interested in the polearm shown in the first picture. more information please.
Phil


Mycaenean Eqeta Warriors, KORYVANTES Association - Gaius Julius Caesar - 01-06-2013

It looks like a stylized fishing spear....

Great kit!

Just a query, would the neck guard on the Dendra be quite that big!


Mycaenean Eqeta Warriors, KORYVANTES Association - Dan Howard - 01-07-2013

Quote:Just a query, would the neck guard on the Dendra be quite that big!
Probably not. The turret on mine is smaller (the same dimensions as the Dendra example) but it is still a pain - you can't look down. I think the problem in the above photo is the helmet. It is a lot easier to fasten the chin strap before the turret goes on, so the turret has to be large enough to fit over the helmet. It is an argument against that type of helmet being worn with a neck turret.


Mycaenean Eqeta Warriors, KORYVANTES Association - Dan Howard - 01-07-2013

Quote:http://www.flickr.com/photos/koryvantes/8339687146
The paldrons need to be larger in this example. The Mycenaeans seeem to have preferred shoulder guards that were large enough to overlap the cuirass so that there is no gap between the two.

Love the combination of scale and plate though.


Mycaenean Eqeta Warriors, KORYVANTES Association - hoplite14gr - 01-07-2013

www.flickr.com/photos/koryvantes/8339687146

This is anatolian type of armor (Trojan?) and the axe is Hittitic. A Mycenaean would have acquire it through trade or loot.

Article will come on the spear.

Dan we must get your book. 2013 will be Bronze Age year and we will explore armor and weapons of the period


Mycaenean Eqeta Warriors, KORYVANTES Association - Agonis - 01-08-2013

Hi,

I feel that I have to provide some additional info on the Mycaenean armors we presented.

More fotos and interesting conclusions will be presented soon, as we currently deploy the various armors in battle drills and tests. Currently we have built 4 Mycaenean-era armors, we have plans to built a couple more.



Regarding the Dendra armor, we visited the Museum to study closely the original. The one we built is a bit larger - built for a 1.95 person, while the original is built (we believe) for a 1.80 - 1.85 person.

The proportions follow the ones of the original, even the holes on the armor are drilled on exactly the same positions as the original. There is an exception on this, in a case we preferred to omit a few holes on one of the metal skirts that have no clear meaning - we think that the manufacturers of the original were trying a few combinations for the suspension of the metal skirts and additional holes were drilled (a possibility...)

To be clear, our target was not to build an exact copy of the Dendra original, we rather wanted to built a Dendra-type armor (as close to the original proportions as possible) that will fit on our members bodies.

The large polearm is based on an artifact of a Museum in Crete (I think that there is also another is Cyprus), most possibly a naval weapon - Stefanos will write an extensive article on this. Photo of the original in Crete can be found in

http://www.salimbeti.com/micenei/weapons2.htm


The helmet presented with our Dendra-type armor is not truly Mycenaean, is based on a Sea Peoples image, we are in the process of building a Mycenaean one (Dan, thank you for the comment)

Battle of the Delta, 1178 BC
Medinet Habu
Mortuary Temple of Ramesses III
Luxor, Egypt

http://www.minoanatlantis.com/pix/Sea_People_Sherden.jpg





Regarding the hybrid armour (plate/scales) we started with the image of an armored archer from a Cyprus artifact

http://www.salimbeti.com/micenei/weapons3.htm (look in the middle of the page)


Finally we decided to build a hybrid approach that combines the breast plate of the Dendra armor and the scaled armors of the Hittites. For the scales, we used the dimensions of the ones (Egyptian origin, as they are marked with Pharaoh seal) presented in Aegina Museum.

As Dan correctly (again) indicates, small paldrons were chosen, so the armor can be used from an archer warrior.


I hope these help,
Adonis


Mycaenean Eqeta Warriors, KORYVANTES Association - Dan Howard - 01-08-2013

I can shoot arrows with my Dendra pauldrons. I have trouble throwing javelins, but I think it is because of all the weight on my shoulders rather than interference from the pauldron. Need to experiment more. FWIW my armour wasn't made to fit me. It is a complete fluke that it fits. Today I have to lose an inch or so around the waist so it doesn't pinch (too much Christmas celebration).

Also, try not to confuse different time periods. When the Dendra panoply was being worn the type of fighting was completely different to the time of the Trojan War. The armour of the Trojan war era needs to function differently to the Dendra armour.


Mycaenean Eqeta Warriors, KORYVANTES Association - Ioannis - 01-14-2013

Quote:Also, try not to confuse different time periods. When the Dendra panoply was being worn the type of fighting was completely different to the time of the Trojan War. The armour of the Trojan war era needs to function differently to the Dendra armour.

Amen! That's a very common mistake made by several reenactors. You can't have a LH IIIC helmet and a Dendra-style cuirass. Also, as I have already mentioned in other venues, the over-depending on Homer while dealing with Late Bronze weapons and warfare is another problem. The Homeric poems do contain several LBA elements but they mostly reflect an Early Iron Age society. Here, I will disagree with Dan when he undermines the "Dark Ages" (btw I really hate this term!).


Mycaenean Eqeta Warriors, KORYVANTES Association - Agonis - 01-14-2013

Dan, thank you again for the feedback on shooting arrows and javelins with your Dendra armor, it is really valuable information for us.

I plan to test soon our armor with my (Grozer Assyrian) bow and other weapons and have our own experiences - we are close to complete the armor with a (correct era) helmet and we are working on a number of modifications we found necessary after our first functional tests.

We have also started the preliminary work on building a number of variations of the Dendra armor (Minoan, Pylos, Tyrintha), the project will evolve as the finances permit :-)

We ordered also your book, we are excited to examine our new Bronze age armors through the point of view of your book - we will keep you updated for our findings


Adonis


Mycaenean Eqeta Warriors, KORYVANTES Association - Dan Howard - 01-14-2013

Quote: The Homeric poems do contain several LBA elements but they mostly reflect an Early Iron Age society. Here, I will disagree with Dan when he undermines the "Dark Ages" (btw I really hate this term!).

It isn't my theory; I just agree with its proponents. There is more than enough evidence to suggest that the current chronology is wrong. The only contention is how much revision is needed. I have no problem with the existence of a Greek Early Iron Age society - only how it is dated.


Mycaenean Eqeta Warriors, KORYVANTES Association - Ioannis - 01-23-2013

Hey Dan,

When would you date the EIA then?