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Sassanid cataphract armor - hoplite14gr - 06-17-2012 Sassanid cataphract armor reconstructed by helenicarmors.gr [attachment=4307]rings.jpg[/attachment] [attachment=4308]rings001.jpg[/attachment] [attachment=4309]rings002.jpg[/attachment] Re: Sassanid cataphract armor - jvrjenivs - 06-17-2012 Never have seen that kind of boots in period sources. Nevertheless very good! Now, where's his horse? Re: Sassanid cataphract armor - Gaius Julius Caesar - 06-17-2012 Jurjen, can you not see the Brown stallion he is mounted on? :-o You should have gone to Spec-Savers!! :-P The armour looks interesting! I saw ottoman period scale and plate like that in the Leeds Armoury. Is there possiblities tha tit was ussed i nthis early a period, or just speculation? Re: Sassanid cataphract armor - daryush - 06-17-2012 Quote:The armour looks interesting! I saw ottoman period scale and plate like that His armour is based on the Dura Europos graffito, there's been a bit more of a discussion here but I do not agree with his interpretation. Until I come across finds or more detailed depictions showing maille-and-plate, I personally believe the abdomen armour is lamellar. Not entirely sure I agree with the chest armour (I believe it was maille); the helmet is probably justifiable but the lancer in the graffito is wearing a tall rivetted conical helmet more remiscent of the steppe. I'm really sorry to be critical about it as the armour does look fantastic otherwise and looks like it would have been a lot of work to make as well! There is some talk of maille-and-plate being used by the Sarmatians, but I haven't really explored it fully (mostly because I don't speak Russian). But I wouldn't want to make an assumption without seeing pictures of the finds or depictions showing it. Here's an image of the graffito: The armour he is wearing and even his identity is disputed. Where's your sword and lance? :mrgreen: Re: Sassanid cataphract armor - Gaius Julius Caesar - 06-17-2012 Yes, I'm aware of the thread and the grafitti! I can't help thinking the chest could be smaller scale.... I'd be interestedin this sassainian plate and mail info too! If there are images! Re: Sassanid cataphract armor - daryush - 06-17-2012 Perhaps one of our Sarmatian experts might know more about maille-and-plate in a Sarmatian context? Some of the finds from this website are interesting:http://badaew.narod.ru/sarmat/sarmat.htm - a very posh horned helmet that may have Central Asian influences, the tall, directly rivetted conical helmets as seen on the graffito, and a Chinese sword, among other pieces. Mughal and Iranian maille-and-plate is some of my favourite armour ever, hopefully I will get some put together someday! :mrgreen: Re: Sassanid cataphract armor - Gaius Julius Caesar - 06-17-2012 Ahhh, yeah, that's easy for you to say..... Quote:Данная работа - попытка дать краткий очерк формирования и развития тяжелой конницы на конкретных материалах археологических памятников Закубанья, выяснить место этого региона в формировании комплекса вооружения сарматских катафрактариев, определить истоки и исходные компоненты этого комплекса. It's all greek to me... Found them...doh... Re: Sassanid cataphract armor - daryush - 06-17-2012 Quote:Ahhh, yeah, that's easy for you to say..... Russian, actually :mrgreen: Sorry, I should have been clearer. There are images at the bottom just above the references. They are marked: Рисунки к статье : 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Each number is a link to a figure. There's a massive wealth of information published on the internet in Russian. I just put it through Google translate and most of the time it makes sense Re: Sassanid cataphract armor - Robert Vermaat - 06-19-2012 Quote:Greek or Russian, we do have Google translate:Gaius Julius Caesar post=314848 Wrote:It's al lgreek to me...Russian, actually :mrgreen: This work - an attempt to give a brief sketch of the formation and development of heavy cavalry on the specific materials of archaeological sites Kuban Region, find a place in this region in the formation of complex weapons Sarmatian katafraktariev, to determine the origins and initial components of this complex. The territorial scope of this study are limited to Left Bank of Kuban, the area from the village of Seversk in the west to the river Elbe in the east, are the core of the addition Meotian culture where this culture, at least until the II-I centuries. BC, preserved in the most "pure" form, there is little affected by extraneous influences. Thus, the selected region most clearly demonstrates the mechanism of interaction between indigenous and migrant populations in the first century AD, including in the field of arms and related tactics. For some of the work involved analysis of more than 700 burials of the III. BC - Middle of the III. BC from the territory of Kuban Region. On average, about 30% of them contained items of armament. Counting vzaimovstrechaemosti weapons, armor and horse harness allowed to get an idea of the composition of forces and the tactics used. Thus, in the III-I centuries. BC in the study area was dominated by the army in Meotian lightly kopenosnaya infantry, which included a lot (50%), throwing darts. The cavalry was also armed primarily with spears, the number of archers was small. And the cavalry and infantry had no metal armor [3]. The situation began to change with the increasing expansion of the Sarmatian and the formation of mixed Meotic-Sarmatian tribal array. Mapping shows a high density and relatively uniform distribution of metal armor in the Middle Kuban Region (Fig. 1). |