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THE ULTIMATE ARCHAIC HOPLITE RECONSTRUCTION - hoplite14gr - 05-10-2012
Ladies and Gentlemen the living History Association "KORYVANTES" present you an Early Archaic Era reconstruction courtesy of imperator Jasper
Its worth getting hold of "ANCIENT WARFARE MAGAZINE" April issue: (VOL VI issue 1)
Get a taste...
Re: THE ULTIMATE ARCHAIC HOPLITE RECONSTRUCTION - Lyceum - 05-10-2012
That is some good stuff, I really feel the lack of the archaic stuff around here (since that's my research period) but this makes it worth it. What type of shield incidentally?
Re: THE ULTIMATE ARCHAIC HOPLITE RECONSTRUCTION - john m roberts - 05-10-2012
What is the evidence for the strange-looking eyeshade?
Re: THE ULTIMATE ARCHAIC HOPLITE RECONSTRUCTION - Gaius Colletti - 05-10-2012
Very cool, do you have a larger picture that the text may be more easily read on?
Re: THE ULTIMATE ARCHAIC HOPLITE RECONSTRUCTION - jvrjenivs - 05-10-2012
Quote:Very cool, do you have a larger picture that the text may be more easily read on?
Get yourself the latest Ancient warfare issue (and get a subscription right away)
Re: THE ULTIMATE ARCHAIC HOPLITE RECONSTRUCTION - Lessa - 05-10-2012
I really like the reconstruction articles on A.W.
But i think that's too much focused on Greeks/Makedonians and Romans.
I have a subscription and i have seen few issues with other cultures/periods articles.
Re: THE ULTIMATE ARCHAIC HOPLITE RECONSTRUCTION - hoplite14gr - 05-10-2012
Thank you for your comments.
It would be unfair to the "AW" if I offered info without their permission. Sorry.
Louvre museum pottery is the basic source for the "sun-guard" but our armorer has two or three more pottery images.
We chose a hoplite shield because thee are exhibits from Olympia museum dated in 800 B.C. but we have attempted a Dipylon shield reconstruction also
Alessandro I really like your efforts with thee mysterious "sea-peoples" of Sardinia.
I would worth an issue of "AW" on the period between 1200 to 900.
Re: THE ULTIMATE ARCHAIC HOPLITE RECONSTRUCTION - Lessa - 05-10-2012
Quote:Thank you for your comments.Hi Stefanos, thank you very much for your compliments.
Alessandro I really like your efforts with thee mysterious "sea-peoples" of Sardinia.
I would worth an issue of "AW" on the period between 1200 to 900.
Unfortunately the history (and prehistory) of my land is not very famous. But it's a fact that "Nuragics" (maybe sea-peoples?) have build 8000 stone towers in Sardinia and had connections with Tyrrenians/Etruscan peoples.
I hope that next themes on the magazine will be on more vast arguments, like light troops, or ancient mercenaries, and so on.
So maybe there will be the opportunity to send something to the Editor of AW and telling some about this amazing piece of history.
Salute!!!
Re: THE ULTIMATE ARCHAIC HOPLITE RECONSTRUCTION - Agonis - 05-10-2012
Hi
Regarding the "evidence for the strange-looking eyeshade" :-)
Hoplite Panoply, 490-480 BCE, Red Figure Hydria - Departement des Antiquites Grecques/Romaines, Louvre.
www.flickr.com/photos/koryvantes/7138710627
(photo is not mine, I only have uploaded for educational reasons)
Just to mention that the target of the "Composite Corinthian" project was not to create an exact copy of the helmet in painting. We rather wanted to examine the special functional characteristics of the composite construction.
Hoplite shield is hand made of wood and copper lavi/antilavi/ornaments. Total weight 7 kilos
(This is the weight that a trained strong man can carry for 20 - 30 minutes maximum in real battle conditions)
Adonis
Re: THE ULTIMATE ARCHAIC HOPLITE RECONSTRUCTION - Pericles of Rhodes - 05-10-2012
Is the whole panoply made of copper? it looks it from the magazine article. Also is there an evidece for the big 'zoma' belt? I havn't come across this in artistic representations, the only parallel that I've seen is the rather different all bronze Samnite belts.
THE ULTIMATE ARCHAIC HOPLITE RECONSTRUCTION - joeandmich - 05-11-2012
I was under the impression Greeks didn't wear vambraces like in the movies.
Re: THE ULTIMATE ARCHAIC HOPLITE RECONSTRUCTION - Paul Elliott - 05-11-2012
Early Archaic... what is that, 500? 600?
Re: THE ULTIMATE ARCHAIC HOPLITE RECONSTRUCTION - Dan Howard - 05-11-2012
Quote:I was under the impression Greeks didn't wear vambraces like in the movies.The Dendra Panoply had a set of vambraces but I don't know when the Greeks stopped wearing them.
Re: THE ULTIMATE ARCHAIC HOPLITE RECONSTRUCTION - Dan Howard - 05-11-2012
Quote:Hoplite shield is hand made of wood and copper lavi/antilavi/ornaments. Total weight 7 kilosDo you have a cite for this? Reconstructions of both the Fayoum and Doncaster scutums weigh closer to 10 kg. If a man can only fight for 20-30 mnutes with a 7 kg shield then it would seem that a 10kg shield is not practical in battle at all.
(This is the weight that a trained strong man can carry for 20 - 30 minutes maximum in real battle conditions)
Re: THE ULTIMATE ARCHAIC HOPLITE RECONSTRUCTION - Dan Howard - 05-11-2012
Quote:Is the whole panoply made of copper? it looks it from the magazine article.The text says "copper alloy", not copper.
Nice job Stefanos. Much better than other recent attempts. Good to see a reconstruction made by someone who knows something about both the source material and how real armour is supposed to function.
But get out the polish. Bronze is supposed to shine like the sun - to make the wearer look like a god.