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Marine Umbo - Caivs Marivs Scipio - 01-11-2012
Already showed it on Facebook, but I'd like to share it here as well.
I spend (too much) time to decorate a umbo with a dolphins and wreath pattern for my new Classis Augusta Germanica shield. The shield is still under construction (still painting), but till then I can use it on an other Pax Romana shield...
Re: Marine Umbo - Gaius Julius Caesar - 01-11-2012
:grin: Nice work.
I was thinking of trying to decorate one. Are the dots punched from inside or out? It is hard to seen on the photos!
Re: Marine Umbo - Caivs Marivs Scipio - 01-11-2012
I punched them from the outside (the visible side).
It took me about 20 hours, approximately 7000 dots.
Re: Marine Umbo - Gaius Julius Caesar - 01-11-2012
Thanks! In the second picture it gives the illusion of raised dots!
Re: Marine Umbo - Robert Vermaat - 01-11-2012
Quote:I spend (too much) time to decorate a umbo with a dolphins and wreath pattern for my new Classis Augusta Germanica shield.I think you can never spend time enough.
Looks fine.
Re: Marine Umbo - jvrjenivs - 01-11-2012
Looks good, I would say. And well, what is 20 hours? I've worked on some project lately which took me many more...
Re: Marine Umbo - PhilusEstilius - 01-11-2012
I was just looking at what Byron has said about the punctim dots and I was wondering if the punching has not been sanded down since it was done.
I have done a tremendous amount of this kind of work over many years, and I find that it becomes more authentic when rubbed down afterwards.
There are many Roman artifacts that I have found with metal detecting and I have found that all of this kind of work is very smoothe to the touch, in fact with a lot of Roman punctim much of it has been done in the wax before casting such as with many beltplates.
Re: Marine Umbo - P Sertorius Scaevola - 01-11-2012
Admirable effort! Is this based on an original find or is it to be considered as decorative art?
Re: Marine Umbo - Caivs Marivs Scipio - 01-11-2012
Thanks to all for the comments!
@Brian
The dots are 1 to 2 mm deep, but like all every piece of equipment it takes sanding and time to make it look authentic.
@Paul
Sadly enough I couldn't find any decorated ubmos with a marine theme. So it's decorated with (authentic) Roman pictures.
It seems there are just a few richly docrated umbos at the end of the 1st century AD.
Re: Marine Umbo - M. Demetrius - 01-11-2012
There is another umbo that depicts a repousse' fist clenched around the shaft of a trident, the trident is a central painting on the clipeus design.
Re: Marine Umbo - Caivs Marivs Scipio - 01-11-2012
Do you (or anyone) have a picture of that umbo?
Re: Marine Umbo - M. Demetrius - 01-13-2012
Yes. I'll dig it up and post it.
Re: Marine Umbo - M. Demetrius - 01-13-2012
Here is a modern repro of the scutum & umbo. I am pretty sure I have a picture somewhere of the sculpture/stele that it copies.
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Re: Marine Umbo - Scipio_Africanus - 01-15-2012
Quote:I am pretty sure I have a picture somewhere of the sculpture/stele that it copies.
The sculpture/stele, that you speack about, isn't the bas-relief of Preneste ?
Sadly i haven't a good picture of it, but i'm pretty sure that it was what you were talking about
, concerning the modern reproduction.By the way, and to stay on the main subject, fantastic job on the decoration of your umbo Gaivs Marivs Scipio.
Sebastien
Re: Marine Umbo - Caivs Marivs Scipio - 01-15-2012
Thanks all for the comments! 8)
Found a picture of the bas-relief.