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Etruscan/Rasenna - etrusker86 - 12-20-2011
Hi!
I didn’t know where to put this post so I decided to do it in the roman sub section. While I am waiting for the last things to give my current greek civilian impression the final touch, I know there is no such thing in reenacting, I was thinking about what to do next. As I always was very fascinated by the different people who existed before or beside the Romans and Greeks. I am now tempted to try the impression of an Etruscan/Rasenna.
I already found out that in the archaic period men seemed to have worn loin skirt/cloths and cloaks while later they were heavily influenced by the Greeks clothing style but also wore, a for them unique cloak called “Tebenna” which seemed to be the predecessor of the roman toga, and another one called lacerna.
[attachment=2381]Etrusker.jpg[/attachment]
I don't know what the left one is, although it seems easy to be made. I have read that the Tebanna was fixed on the left shoulder and wound around the body under the right arm.
So I wanted to know if any of you have any information or advices concerning the measures and shape of their clothing.
All the best!
Patrick D.
Re: Etruscan/Rasenna - Joze Noriker - 12-21-2011
Interesting theme
I had somewhere :?: a link of some Etruscan reenactors but if i am correct, the Legio I Italica are doing the Etruscans, too.I have on facebook a profile about the Etruscans and i get there many infos.
There are in the web infos about their dress in comparison through the centuries (clearly enough!).
Joze
Re: Etruscan/Rasenna - etrusker86 - 12-21-2011
Thanks Joze!
I have already checked out the website of Legio I. they even recreated a battle between the celts and etruscans but I couldn't find more information on them, also my italian is quite limited.
Most things I found in the web are wall paintings and written descriptions.
Can you tell me the name of that facebook profile you have?
Thanks!
Patrick D.
Re: Etruscan/Rasenna - Lessa - 12-22-2011
Etruscans, ok. But what century?
Re: Etruscan/Rasenna - etrusker86 - 12-22-2011
Hey Alessandro!
I thought of the end of the archaic period; so the mid fifth century bc.
Guess the Tomba del Triclinio could be a source of inspiration.
Patrick D.
Re: Etruscan/Rasenna - Joze Noriker - 12-22-2011
Hy, the FB profile is here
http://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/38336555678/
IIndeed, at the moment aren't good fotos in the web about Etruscan's living history projects. The Leg I Italia has one fraktion wich make the Etruscans, too.
I will see in archaeoforum if i was writting there in the past somethink more about them. You will find the dress item in web, if you recearch etruscan dress. There are big data-portals about the Etruscans in web.
My focus ab. 2 years ago were the Etruscan's shoes.
Joze
Re: Etruscan/Rasenna - etrusker86 - 12-22-2011
Thanks again!
I have read about the shoes. It's interesting that the used wooden soles instead of leather, cause I imagine them very inflexible on the other hand they also may have used leather soles just there are no preserved ones or evidence found yet.
About the tebenna and other depicted cloaks I guess I will have to experiment. I first thought it would be similar to the greek chlamys but, for example I don't get it from were the part of the garment below the armpit of the guy in the light blue one, I posted before, comes from.
My first guess is they started to drape it form the back of the left shoulder around the right side the front back over the left shoulder were the secured it with a pin, and threw the remaining garment again over the left shoulder. But on the second thought it somehow doesn't fit in the general shape of the cloak.
Patrick D.
Re: Etruscan/Rasenna - Joze Noriker - 12-22-2011
I forgot the link abouth their dress: there were the shoes items through the centuries. But i have a foto of replika of Etruscan's boots.
I found in archaeoforum this links (there were more links but some of them were lost in the web):
http://www.soundcenter.it/indexeng.htm
http://www.soundcenter.it/cdflauti.htm
http://www.mysteriousetruscans.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi
http://books.google.si/books/about/Etruscan_dress.html?id=CILWtN-fSG8C&redir_esc=y
http://www.archaeological.org/lecturer/larissabonfante
Here is a group making Etruscan's reenactment:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tiu_alethnas/sets/72157625037310240/detail/?page=2 (event Velimna 2010)
here info for Velimna 2011:
http://www.perugiatoday.it/eventi/cultura/velimna-2011-gli-etruschi-del-fiume-anfiteatro-parco-bellini-6-11-settembre-2011.html and:
http://goodmorningumbria.wordpress.com/2011/09/02/arrivano-gli-etruschi-a-ponte-san-giovanni/
The Rig Atebodus (Popolo di Brig group) will ask the Biatec Atebodus abouth your wish - he answered me in this facebook profile.
The etruscan's cloaks were designed with patterns, like the celtic sagum. I like their tunicas: they were decorated with tablet woven stripes in the interesting style, i like it!
Joze
Re: Etruscan/Rasenna - etrusker86 - 12-22-2011
Thanks Joze!
This group is definitely highly influenced by reconstruction like the one in following picture:
[attachment=2390]246074.jpg[/attachment]
I found this description in one of my books;
Although the Etruscans adapted many elements of their clothing from the greeks and the orient, there are also many elements of local origin like a loin-cloth wrapped around in different forms during the oriental and archaic period....
...Many things were adapted from the greeks. While the heavy tunics made of wool and the long chitons of the early period have been replaced by the ionic chiton in the 6th century.It was shorter and often folded.
.. Also known is the custom of wearing different cloaks, most prominent was the, formed like a half circle, tebenna....
[attachment=2388]mantello.jpg[/attachment]
Found this on the site of a museum. As far as I translated its the outline of a remnant of a tebenna, found in a grave.
And this one again of the Tomba del Triclinio it says its a himation but i always tought that a himation was much bigger. So again I guess it is the etruscan cloak but maybe I am wrong.
[attachment=2391]tricl2.jpg[/attachment]
Thanks again for your help!
Patrick D.
Re: Etruscan/Rasenna - etrusker86 - 12-23-2011
Hey Joze!
You mentioned that you looked into etruscan footwear.
What can you tell me about their construction?
As far as I can tell now there have been various types of sandals and boots for men and woman.
Patrick D.
Re: Etruscan/Rasenna - etrusker86 - 12-31-2011
Hey everyone!
I have a question concerning the materials garments were made of from the beginning of the fifth century bc.and onward, in the area of the mediterranean sea.
When I made my greek kit I was told that they never used or even have known cotton. So during my search through the internet I found a site, I add the address at the end, that claims that besides wool, linen the etruscans also used cotton.
So when was it actually introduced to europe, and used in bigger quantities?
All the best and a Happy New Year to everyone!!
Patrick D.
http://www.fashionencyclopedia.com/fashion_costume_culture/The-Ancient-World-Rome/Etruscan-Dress.html
Re: Etruscan/Rasenna - Larth Kuritianas - 01-23-2012
Hi,
maybe you would like to check this site. The site is in Italian but we have some parts in english. The forum is full of information and details about etruscans.
http://www.mysteriousetruscans.com/RISVEGLIO/
We are recreating the etruscan daily life in the IV century. it is an event of 3 days full immersion in etruscan life from food to any other details... you can look at the pictures... we are a small group (about 50) but we are growing fast...
We settled this in central italy.
If you need more info pleas get in touch in the forum or send me an email.
best regards
Larth
Re: Etruscan/Rasenna - etrusker86 - 01-23-2012
Thank you!
I appreciate every help I can get.
Patrick D.
Re: Etruscan/Rasenna - Larth Kuritianas - 01-24-2012
No problem.
We meet 2 times per year. Once for an event of 3 days and another for an evening "banquet"... the last is a great event!!
Maybe on day we can meet!
Ciao
Larth
Re: Etruscan/Rasenna - etrusker86 - 01-24-2012
Hey Larth!
Do you know something about the "kardiophylax"? I may be far from finishing my civilian impression and don't even know if I ever will make something military but can you tell me how it was constructed and if it even was used during the fifth century bc. or already replaced by other types of armory.
hope too we can meet sometimes.
All the best!
Patrick