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Greek Hoplite Marching Kit - jabames - 12-18-2010
I'm sure it has been discussed here many times, but what was the Hoplite's marching kit? From what i have found it looks like they had a large shoulder bag, a net bag for food and extra items, and a water container. Where can I get these components from? For instance the water container; what would they be made of, ceramic or leather, personally Id use leather it wont shatter. What would they carry in their shoulder bag, and where can I get a net bag made with proper materials to any Greek era? Id like to portray an Ekdromoi possibly, at the moment all I have now is a helmet, all I need now is an accurate shield and spear set, I might go without a sword as I guess that not everyone had those in the Classical or Hellenistic eras.
I'm also considering just being a slinger in some re-enactment group, cheaper anyways but i still have a Hoplite helmet though, I have seen Greek slingers being portrayed wearing sun-hats, where can I get those from? Will I have to make my own? ahaha sorry guys, I have a lot of questions, one more thing is there any Greek re-enactment groups in Washington, possibly in Seattle or anywhere in that state, I live in Alaska and want to go to the nearest state possible to save money
thanks
James
this is what I have found its from a site called hoplologia, looks pretty reasonable to me; a bag, net bag, and canteen
http://www.hoplologia.org/handbook/doku ... _equipment
Re: Greek Hoplite Marching Kit - hoplite14gr - 12-18-2010
The liquid container can be ceramic, wooden, or skin.
The Osprey books on ancient Greece have photos of the ceramic container and some traders here make copies.
The "wineskin" type is another option.
Sword was not the first item bought but a dagger is fairly OK.
The one depicted in the site you mentioned comes from Corinth other types existed.
You can try this site also for info
http://www.4hoplites.com/
Kind regards
Re: Greek Hoplite Marching Kit - Gaius Opius Fugi - 12-18-2010
Quote:The liquid container can be ceramic, wooden, or skin.
The Osprey books on ancient Greece have photos of the ceramic container and some traders here make copies.
The "wineskin" type is another option.
Sword was not the first item bought but a dagger is fairly OK.
The one depicted in the site you mentioned comes from Corinth other types existed.
You can try this site also for info
http://www.4hoplites.com/
Kind regards
Stefanos,
What form would the wooden canteens take? Any sources in particular mentioning them? You have peaked my interest.....
-Adam C.
Re: Greek Hoplite Marching Kit - hoplite14gr - 12-18-2010
There you go :
http://www.kollina.gr/ekthemata/014.jpg
There are also flat drum-like versions
Plus dried pumpkin as a water container
http://culture.samos.gr/FILESYSTEM/CIVI ... IT1834.jpg
Kind regards
Re: Greek Hoplite Marching Kit - Gaius Opius Fugi - 12-19-2010
Thanks Stefanos! That wooden one is awesome...is it carved in two pieces, hollowed out, and pieced back together? I'm familiar with the pumpking/gourd as a canteen, as I use them a lot in my other impressions...but that wooden one, I just want to make one right now
. Thanks!-Adam
Re: Greek Hoplite Marching Kit - hoplite14gr - 12-19-2010
Sorry
No knowledge in the construction.
Kind regards
Re: Greek Hoplite Marching Kit - John Conyard - 12-19-2010
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Re: Greek Hoplite Marching Kit - MeinPanzer - 12-26-2010
There is a great discussion on hoplite kit in a relatively new book on Xenophon's Anabasis entitled "A Greek army on the march: soldiers and survival in Xenophon's Anabasis" by John W.I. Lee. It can be found on Google Books here:
http://books.google.com/books?id=gSq00X ... q=contents \\&f=false
Take a look at chapter 5, "The Things They Carried."
Re: Greek Hoplite Marching Kit - jabames - 12-26-2010
cool man, I think Ill order that book
Re: Greek Hoplite Marching Kit - Theron_of _Sikyon - 02-13-2011
Where can someone find a good net bag for sale at a decent price?
I would also recomend Venitian Cat Pottery for the canteen. I have several of her pieces and they are all great.
Edward
Re: Greek Hoplite Marching Kit - John Conyard - 02-14-2011
It is rather easy to make a net. A quick internet search will show you how.
Re: Greek Hoplite Marching Kit - Paul Elliott - 02-16-2011
I have a photo on my harddrive at home of the kit a slave is carrying for his hoplite master, I will post it later on today.
Re: Greek Hoplite Marching Kit - Paul Elliott - 02-17-2011
This is a vase painting of a slave following a hoplite (sorry, don't know the source!).
Re: Greek Hoplite Marching Kit - Giannis K. Hoplite - 02-17-2011
Thanks for posting that! The representations of the marching packs are quite few and i hadn't seen this one! The yoke is clearly visible(painted in white),as is the basket to counter balance the rolled bedding. I wonder why almost all representations of the servants-save for one- are caricatures. I know of at least two vases and one sculpture where the servants with the marching kit are theatrical caricatures. Where they a typical theatrical character? I don't remember the marching pack mentioned specifically in Aristophanes,although of course slaves are always present.
Khaire
Giannis
Re: Greek Hoplite Marching Kit - MeinPanzer - 02-17-2011
Quote:I wonder why almost all representations of the servants-save for one- are caricatures. I know of at least two vases and one sculpture where the servants with the marching kit are theatrical caricatures. Where they a typical theatrical character? I don't remember the marching pack mentioned specifically in Aristophanes,although of course slaves are always present.
Khaire
Giannis
Yes, the soldier's servant was a common character in Comedy. Though I don't think that many (any?) mention is made of them in extant Old Comedy, they feature quite prominently in New Comedy alongside the 'Miles Gloriosus' character. I've found several mentions of equipment and marching kit in fragments of New Comedy. See in particular Diphilus, "The Madman" (Ho Mainomenos), 55:
Quote:And then escharan (brazier), klinen (mat), kadon (a vessel for liquids), stromata (blankets), tagenon (a frying pan), askoperan (bag), thulakon (pouch)! So that no one would accept that you are a soldier, but rather a Round walking straight out of the agora, so much petty stuff do you carry around.