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Re: Pugio hilt question - Redguru - 09-12-2010
I almost quoted your rant, but thought better of it
Will remember your advice in the future.
Re: Pugio hilt question - MARCvSVIBIvSMAvRINvS - 09-13-2010
Rather than Pmming, for the sake of openness with our reconstructions, here is the photo:
![[Image: IvoryHilt.jpg]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/IMPERIALCOMMAND/IvoryHilt.jpg)
This is a very unusual but interesting hilt...
Btw, my Pugio blade is the one from Leeuwen, its a 1:1 copy.
M.VIB.M.
Re: Pugio hilt question - Crispvs - 09-13-2010
Thanks very much Henk!
Given the longitudinal hole, I would guess that it was attached to a rod tang and that the recessed area could be for a decorated grip plate, possibly of the normal iron type. It does not seem likely to be to accommodate a frame tang as (as has already been mentioned by others here) as the overall handle would end up being much too thick.
Crispvs
Re: Pugio hilt question - marcos - 09-13-2010
I remember is available an article about this hilt on JRMES.
Re: Pugio hilt question - Crispvs - 09-13-2010
Thanks. I don't have it. Can you tell me which issue of JRMES? I don't have the full set and it must be in an issue I do not have.
Crispvs
Re: Pugio hilt question - Gaius Julius Caesar - 09-13-2010
Thanks Henk, your openess is greatly appreciated!
Re: Pugio hilt question - marcos - 09-13-2010
JRMES n.3, 1992, pag 37, if you haven't, just send me a pm.
The odd happenig is that now I realize that the one on jrmes is very similar but not the some, it is another hilt !
Being it from ivory and engraved, I guess it had not bronze liner.
Re: Pugio hilt question - Crispvs - 09-13-2010
Thanks. I've sent you a PM.
Not sure what you mean by a "bronze liner".
Crispvs
Re: Pugio hilt question - marcos - 09-14-2010
Crispus, check yor email.
There is a misunderstanding about the word "liner" (sorry for my bad english). If I check italian-english dictionary, I see that "liner" means something covering some other thing in the outside, as a layer. Up to my mind, in this case "liner" is a bronze outer layer. Were is my mistake?
MARCvSVIBIvSMAvRINvS, can you please tell us where your image is from? have you got an issue about it?
Re: Pugio hilt question - Gaius Julius Caesar - 09-14-2010
Liner in English teerminology is an inner layer/lining... which sperates an outer layer of a piece of equipment such as a piston or a piece of clothing,
such as a wind proof jacket with a Fleece liner....hope that helps a little
Re: Pugio hilt question - Crispvs - 09-15-2010
Looking at both the Heddernheim and Museum of London grip plates, they are so similar that I think it would be fair to say they they constitute two examples of a 'type'. It is even possible that they emanate from the same workshop. Both are ivory and the only appreciable difference between them is the area at the top of the pommel expansion with the carved horizontal lines. It appears that the Heddernhaim plate has a hole running through it to accommodate a rod tag just like the Museum of London plate. It also seems to have two holes, one either side of the hole for the tang, suggesting that two bulbous headed pins were driven into the top of the pommel expansion either side of the peened over end of the tang.
The photograph in Obmann of the Heddernheim grip plate shows it to have a guard but it looks to me as if some restoration has gone on (it was found in 1897 after all) and Obmann's JRMES article does not show this guard, instead showing the grip below the central expansion to be broken. I need to read the JRMES article in more detail but my German is far from good so it is slow going.
Crispvs