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Spartan Spear - brennivs - tony drake - 06-09-2010
Hi I am looking for pictures of spear heads and butts for a friend either origonal finds or reconstructions, also the length of the spear. Since this is not my normal field any help would be greatful
Regards Brennivs
Re: Spartan Spear - hoplite14gr - 06-10-2010
Tony please see P.M.
Re: Spartan Spear - Giannis K. Hoplite - 06-10-2010
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This thread has the most important and latest inforation on sarauters and has also some spear points. Go through all of it.
Khaire
Giannis
Re: Spartan Spear - brennivs - tony drake - 06-10-2010
Many thanks Hoplite and Giannis just what I needed chears
Regards Brennivs
Re: Spartan Spear - rocktupac - 06-10-2010
Quote:Tony please see P.M.
Hoplite, I also would not mind to see these examples. Could I get in on the action?
Re: Spartan Spear - PMBardunias - 06-10-2010
I recently came across this beautiful Etruscan example from Bisenzio:
Re: Spartan Spear - Giannis K. Hoplite - 06-10-2010
Beautiful,but hardly typical.Etruscans do adopt greek manners in many things,but they do also diferentiate in their style and taste. Nice preservation.
Khaire
Giannis
Re: Spartan Spear - hoplite14gr - 06-10-2010
Quote:hoplite14gr:3px3xn8h Wrote:Tony please see P.M.
Hoplite, I also would not mind to see these examples. Could I get in on the action?
Scott please see PM
Kind regards
Re: Spartan Spear - brennivs - tony drake - 06-10-2010
Many many thanks to everyone
D D oops: Again many thanks Regards Brennivs
Re: Spartan Spear - Giannis K. Hoplite - 06-10-2010
Well,these are iron ones
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o118 ... ore464.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o118 ... spears.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2464/362 ... 9bf7_b.jpg
You mean all silvered but spikes? I don't think so. It may be that some had silver inlay as decoration near the top of the socket,though i don't have specific examples off hand. There is where most sarauters had decoration though and for some reason silver inlayed ones sound familiar to me.
Khaire
Giannis
PS. I don't think this is silver,but it could be if you wished?
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Re: Spartan Spear - hoplite14gr - 06-10-2010
Laconian bronze spear blades.
British Archaiological School at Athens item 85, 1990 dated in late sixth cent.
Site of Zeus Messapaiaw at Tsakonia.
Most probably a few were carried by the Spartan troops in the 5th century.
Kind regards
Re: Spartan Spear - brennivs - tony drake - 06-10-2010
Thanks Giannis
another question what length and width are the spear heads and butt spikes also what is the average diameter of the sockets.I am thinking Iron spear with a bronze butt spike.
Regards Brennivs
Re: Spartan Spear - Giannis K. Hoplite - 06-10-2010
The sizes especially on spearheads vary so much that i couldn't tell you an average. It is unclear which kind of spearheads corresponds with the military spear,but it is possible that nearly all of them were used,in accordance with the shaft and the sarauter/tapper. Some spearheads are really tiny,but wider than some longer ones that are less than 5cm wide!
The socket of the spearhead is very often as narrow as 1,5cm,more often around 2 cm. That of the butt spike is usually a bit wider,around 2,5 -3 cm.
As you might have already understood,you will have to pick a spear and reproduce it,and then pick a kind of sarauter and reproduce it,because there seem to have been no rules. Decide where you want your spear to balance,and then pick the right combination of points.
The shaft itself could be either tappered or not. An untappered shaft should be less than 3 cm wide. Best is about 2,5 cm. Lenght,1,2 - 1,5 m would be fine. If your friend is a bit in the tall side,you might make it a bit longer. There is a thread discussing spear sizes these days.
Khaire
Giannis
Re: Spartan Spear - brennivs - tony drake - 06-10-2010
Chears once again Giannis
D Regards Brennivs
Re: Spartan Spear - PMBardunias - 06-11-2010
Quote:Beautiful,but hardly typical.Etruscans do adopt greek manners in many things,but they do also diferentiate in their style and taste. Nice preservation.
I dont think there is anything particularly Etruscan about it. It is not far from these bronze heads form Olympia.