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ID of a Monument - abou - 05-06-2010 I have had this picture on my computer for a while now. It is of a chamfron from what is supposedly a Roman trophy in Asia Minor - likely from a victory over a Hellenistic power. I don't know any other details, and even what I have is dubious. If someone could identify it based off of the picture I have attached, I would greatly appreciate it. Re: ID of a Monument - hoplite14gr - 05-06-2010 Pergamon collection in Germany if Memory serves me right. Kind regards Re: ID of a Monument - Gaius Julius Caesar - 05-06-2010 Horse armour. I always wondered where they got that from in RTW. Re: ID of a Monument - abou - 05-06-2010 Thank you, Stefanos. So it is likely Hellenistic then. Bryon, there is another chamfron with feathers that is present on the balustrade of the temple of Athena from Pergamon as well. It is present in a lot of the illustrations Sekunda uses and I think showed up in RTW. In EB1, it was used in a lot of units as well, albeit without the fine details present on the relief. Re: ID of a Monument - Gaius Julius Caesar - 05-06-2010 Thanks. It is the first time I have seen any evidence for this. I had always wondered if it was artistic license...Glad to see it was not! Very interesting image. Re: ID of a Monument - MeinPanzer - 05-07-2010 Nope, this isn't from Pergamon - as mentioned, there is a similar chamfron from the Pergamene weapons reliefs, but that one features feathers. This is from the Campadoglio trophy monument, which dates to around 90 BC (if I recall correctly, and this is all off the top of my head) and was thought to have been set up by Sulla to commemorate the capture of Jugurtha. Re: ID of a Monument - Giannis K. Hoplite - 05-07-2010 Similar horse head armour has been found for real in bronze in italy. Maybe etruscan or other Italiote origin. Nice photo this one though,and i think i can see a trophy-cuirass behind it? Khairete Giannis Re: ID of a Monument - MeinPanzer - 05-07-2010 Quote:Nice photo this one though,and i think i can see a trophy-cuirass behind it? Yep, that's a cuirass. A few images of the other parts of the monument: http://antiquemilitaryhistory.com/image ... oglio1.jpg http://antiquemilitaryhistory.com/image ... oglio2.jpg Re: ID of a Monument - abou - 05-07-2010 Quote:Nope, this isn't from Pergamon - as mentioned, there is a similar chamfron from the Pergamene weapons reliefs, but that one features feathers. This is from the Campadoglio trophy monument, which dates to around 90 BC (if I recall correctly, and this is all off the top of my head) and was thought to have been set up by Sulla to commemorate the capture of Jugurtha.Ah, that changes things entirely. Thanks, Ruben. Re: ID of a Monument - D B Campbell - 05-08-2010 Quote:Yep, that's a cuirass. A few images of the other parts of the monument:Nice. Any catapults? Re: ID of a Monument - Eleatic Guest - 05-08-2010 looks like ceremonial horse armour from above Re: ID of a Monument - rocktupac - 05-08-2010 Quote:Nope, this isn't from Pergamon - as mentioned, there is a similar chamfron from the Pergamene weapons reliefs, but that one features feathers. This is from the Campadoglio trophy monument, which dates to around 90 BC (if I recall correctly, and this is all off the top of my head) and was thought to have been set up by Sulla to commemorate the capture of Jugurtha. Are there any publications about this monument (preferably in English) that explain its features? I would be interested in reading what the general consensus was on the meaning of its different parts, etc. The panel with the three T-and-Y cuirasses is of particular interest to me. Thanks. Re: ID of a Monument - abou - 05-09-2010 I did some more research. This seems to be the monument that either King Bocchus dedicated to Sulla and the Roman people to commemorate his handing over of Jugurtha (likely), or the monument that Marius constructed to honor his victory over Jugurtha (unlikely). It's mentioned in Plutarch and summed up in this article on JSTOR: http://www.jstor.org/stable/4436575 The Musei Capitolini website identifies it as the Monumento di Bocco. It has few, very small pictures of it available online, but the website crawls. http://en.centralemontemartini.org/perc ... e_trofei#a |