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Vacheres warrior-paint found on belt, hilt, torc and brooch - Caballo - 12-27-2008
The Vacheres warrior (see below- who may be an auxillary or a Gaulish prince- you pays your money and you makes your choice!) is currently on display in Rome. According to the write up, red paint was found on the belt and the sword hilt, and gilding on the fibula and torc. More evidence for colour in the 1st Century AD / BC!
![[Image: 432px-Gaul_warrior_Vacheres_2.jpg]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4a/Gaul_warrior_Vacheres_2.jpg/432px-Gaul_warrior_Vacheres_2.jpg)
![[Image: Guerrier_de_Vach%C3%A8res_%28face%29.png]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/38/Guerrier_de_Vach%C3%A8res_%28face%29.png)
Re: Vacheres warrior-paint found on belt, hilt, torc and brooch - Tim Edwards - 12-27-2008
Wow!! - Laudes awarded!
Where did you get the info?
That belt has always interested me, I'm convinced a similar studded belt has been excavated, but am struggling to remember where...
Quote:who may be an auxillary or a Gaulish prince
- Why not both? :wink:
Re: Vacheres warrior-paint found on belt, hilt, torc and brooch - Caballo - 12-27-2008
Thanks- its from the latest edition of Minerva http://minervamagazine.com/
And the head had traces of red paint too- clearly Celtic! :roll:
Cheers
Caballo
Re: Vacheres warrior-paint found on belt, hilt, torc and brooch - LUCIUS ALFENUS AVITIANUS - 12-27-2008
Why not a roman soldier?
Re: Vacheres warrior-paint found on belt, hilt, torc and brooch - Gaius Julius Caesar - 12-27-2008
Could be a portrait of Lucius Vorenus......
Re: Vacheres warrior-paint found on belt, hilt, torc and brooch - PhilusEstilius - 12-27-2008
Paul. Where you mention gilding on the fibula I take it you are refering to the button loop fastener that holds his cloak together, very similar to the one Miks has shown in his drawing about suggested sword suspension.
Re: Vacheres warrior-paint found on belt, hilt, torc and brooch - Pict - 12-27-2008
Is he wearing gloves?
I haven't noticed this before in any of the pictorial or statuary evidence. Did the Romans wear gloves or just wrap their hands in rags as they show in the movies or shows like Rome?
Interesting.
Cheers all,
Pict
Re: Vacheres warrior-paint found on belt, hilt, torc and brooch - caiusbeerquitius - 12-27-2008
Quote:Where you mention gilding on the fibula I take it you are refering to the button loop fastener that holds his cloak together
Did you look under the flap of the cloak to find out whwther it´s a fibula or a butto loop fastener? 
Re: Vacheres warrior-paint found on belt, hilt, torc and brooch - MeinPanzer - 12-28-2008
Quote:Is he wearing gloves?
I haven't noticed this before in any of the pictorial or statuary evidence. Did the Romans wear gloves or just wrap their hands in rags as they show in the movies or shows like Rome?
What makes it looks like he's wearing gloves are the back-turned cuffs of his unusual long-sleeved tunic.
Re: Vacheres warrior-paint found on belt, hilt, torc and brooch - John Conyard - 12-28-2008
This cuff detail is common from the time, and can even be seen used much later on the Lancaster cavalryman. Probably.
But the belt interests me. It looks like a belt worn over a sash. But the angle of the belt as it dips down to the sword looks un-natural.
Cavalry swords are often shown suspended from the waist belt. This is sometimes described as a "Celtic" suspension system. :? I've often considered they may be hanging from the large studs discussed in this thread.
http://www.romanarmy.com/rat/viewtopic.php?t=25271
Re: Vacheres warrior-paint found on belt, hilt, torc and brooch - M. Demetrius - 12-28-2008
That's a great, huge specimen of a hamata hook, too. Each side of it could easily be 5" long, given about a 17-18" shoulder width.
Re: Vacheres warrior-paint found on belt, hilt, torc and brooch - Gaius Julius Caesar - 12-28-2008
And look how far the doubler extends down the front of the body. Practically to the waist....ok 5 inches or so above.
Re: Vacheres warrior-paint found on belt, hilt, torc and brooch - Marcus Mummius - 12-28-2008
Quote:But the angle of the belt as it dips down to the sword looks un-natural.
Could be because of the weight of the sword?
I sometimes have the same 'problem', but to a somewhat lesser extent:
![[Image: rimburg08%20(30).jpg]](http://www.legioxi.be/rimburg08%20(30).jpg)
Re: Vacheres warrior-paint found on belt, hilt, torc and brooch - Gaius Julius Caesar - 12-29-2008
It's possible the belt has a support tie to keep it in position, then the weight drags it down
Re: Vacheres warrior-paint found on belt, hilt, torc and brooch - PhilusEstilius - 12-29-2008
I'd be carefull John you may be accused of peeking under his right hand with that thread you have put forward.