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His mysterious Celtic warrior grave - Treveri Gaul - 07-10-2008
Hi.
A Celtic warrior grave of his was dug out now beside Paks. The archaeologists were surprised with two drawn shields with man greatness the fighter was covered up. A sword or a lance were not found / the residues of an iron knife turned up. The grave the it is put onto B.C. 3 hundred.
Where the Celtic ones used shields of this size?
root: http://www.mult-kor.hu/cikk.php?article=21125&page=2
Re: His mysterious Celtic warrior grave - Gaius Julius Caesar - 07-10-2008
That looks like the boss of a typical shield with a butterfly umbo, used by the celts and Romans I believe. They would have been of similar size to the Roman republican scuta, as far as I can tell. I could well be wrong though.
Re: His mysterious Celtic warrior grave - Treveri Gaul - 07-10-2008
I ponder on the fact that the Celtic fighters used big shields like this the siege of your strength. It was to be kindled under the shield the vallus /stockade/ .
Re: His mysterious Celtic warrior grave - Gaius Julius Caesar - 07-10-2008
Reading Caesar, they formed up into a phalanx when he met the helvetii in battle at the start of his gaullic campaign. The method of fighting would require a sheild of suitable size to protect you from the enemy, especially if you have minimal armour.
The boss actually looks quite small, so I wonder what the dimensions of the shield was?
Re: His mysterious Celtic warrior grave - Tarbicus - 07-10-2008
Was this an adult male, or an adolescent? I'd also bear in mind that there could have been a fairly big difference in stature at that period compared to now (in fact there was IIRC).
Page 1 has a video which shows more clearly, I think, that the skeleton is fairly small and the shield might average size when compared to the near identical La Tene shield (Figure F) here (1.1 metres long) from the same century:
http://www.mult-kor.hu/cikk.php?article=21125&page=1
http://www.redrampant.com/roma/celtshields.html
A reconstruction here:
http://www.wulflund.com/products/shield ... &curr_id=3
Re: His mysterious Celtic warrior grave - Gaius Julius Caesar - 07-10-2008
That is what I was thinking. A regular sized shield......
Re: His mysterious Celtic warrior grave - Treveri Gaul - 07-10-2008
Perfect. But why was two shield in the grave? The warrior Eraviscus was a tribe's member
Re: His mysterious Celtic warrior grave - Tarbicus - 07-10-2008
You assume that all ancient warriors only had one shield. What if some had two?
Re: His mysterious Celtic warrior grave - Iagoba - 07-11-2008
Some people today have two cars, even if they can´t drive at the same time...so having two shields, even if you can use at the same time wouldn´t be strange (only, perhaps expensive).
BTW, quite well conserved skull
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Re: His mysterious Celtic warrior grave - MeinPanzer - 07-11-2008
This is burial is extremely important because it will provide us with the dimensions of yet more thureoi, something which is badly needed for discussion of the cultural variability of this type of shield.
Here are a few screens, by the way:
![[Image: hungbur.JPG]](http://www.antiquemilitaryhistory.com/images/hungbur.JPG)
![[Image: hungbur1.JPG]](http://www.antiquemilitaryhistory.com/images/hungbur1.JPG)
![[Image: hungbur2.JPG]](http://www.antiquemilitaryhistory.com/images/hungbur2.JPG)
Interesting to note how different the two bosses are. Though I can't find exact parallels for these, according to a quick glance at Brunaux's classification system for Celtic bosses (which, it should be noted, only applies to western Europe), these bosses should belong to LT C1.
Looking forward to reading up the report when this is published.
Re: His mysterious Celtic warrior grave - Folkert van Wijk - 07-11-2008
This is cool stuf guys, Keep it comming... 8)
The bosses aren't that strange to me dow... It' only nice to see the rised rib.
And to see that both shields do have there iron rim al the way around...
And yes anything like a translation to english from that site would be nice...
Re: His mysterious Celtic warrior grave - Folkert van Wijk - 07-11-2008
Quote: Brunaux's classification system for Celtic bosses
:?: :?: Where can I find this classification :?: :?:
Did he write a (English) book??
Re: His mysterious Celtic warrior grave - MeinPanzer - 07-11-2008
Quote:MeinPanzer:35n10544 Wrote:Brunaux's classification system for Celtic bosses
:?: :?: Where can I find this classification :?: :?:
Did he write a (English) book??
Unfortunately, it's in French. It's "Guerre et armement chez les Gaulois : 450-52 av. J.-C." by Jean-Louis Brunaux and Bernard Lambot. It's a great resource illustrating examples of arms and armour from the Halstatt period right down to the final phases of the La Tene chronology.
Re: His mysterious Celtic warrior grave - Folkert van Wijk - 07-11-2008
Yeap, I belief I have that one...
Re: His mysterious Celtic warrior grave - Gaius Julius Caesar - 07-11-2008
Any chance of seeing these pictures you posted, please, Meinpanzer?
They are not appearing on my computer.
