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Helmet name - Hoplitesmores - 03-02-2008

What is the name of this helmet in archeology?

[Image: Helm_2_G.jpg]

Re: Helmet name - caiusbeerquitius - 03-02-2008

"Frühe Italische Helme mit Krempe", translates as "early italic helmets with brim".

Re: Helmet name - Hoplitesmores - 03-02-2008

Thanks Big Grin

Re: Helmet name - Caturix - 03-03-2008

Negau Helmet.

It was used by most of ancient Mitteleuropean cultures during the Bonze Age.

Re: Helmet name - Hoplitesmores - 03-03-2008

Isnt the Negau the conical one?

Re: Helmet name - Caturix - 03-03-2008

Quote:Isnt the Negau the conical one?

With the name of "Negau" it's intended a large macrotipology of bronze helmets, semiconical or semispherical:

[Image: Helm_Harigast-Inschr_NEU.jpg]

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Re: Helmet name - caiusbeerquitius - 03-03-2008

The helmet above is not a Negau helmet, the types you posted are. note the differences in construction and form. The helmet above is pot-shaped.

Re: Helmet name - Caturix - 03-03-2008

Quote:The helmet above is not a Negau helmet, the types you posted are. note the differences in construction and form. The helmet above is pot-shaped.

Sorry...but I don't think so...we can find that kind of helmet in Hallstatt and Illyrian contexts...in my opinion is just a kind of Negau...

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Re: Helmet name - caiusbeerquitius - 03-03-2008

The Negau types have a groove above the rim, this helmet doesn´t. Also, Negau helmets usally consist of one piece, this helmet doesn´t. This helmet is 7th century B.C., and could be seen as an ancestor of the Negau helmets, but the claissification is as I have given above. thes helmets derive mostly from Slovenia and Italy, and were copied by the Hallstatt-culture.

Archaeological classification is as I have given above.

Re: Helmet name - Ross Cowan - 03-06-2008

I agree with Christian. It is not a Negau. I'm not sure if it can be described as a direct ancestor. The Negau develops from single, not multi-part, bowl helmets, e.g. the so-called Buckelhelme types. The direct precursor of the Negau may be a particular form of the sixth cent. BC Picente 'Montelparo' helmet. See Egg 1986, no. 57, and my articles in Ancient Warfare iss. 3 (2007) and Arch. Korr. for a Montelparo helmet showing clear signs of development towards the classic Negau form.

M. Egg, Italische Helme: Studien zu den ältereisenzeitlichen Helmen Italiens und der Alpen (1986)

Ross H. Cowan ‘An Important Italic Helmet Rediscovered’, Archäologisches Korrespondenzblatt 37 (2007), 379-387

Cheers,
R

Re: Helmet name - garrelt - 03-14-2008

Looks to me like Stefan Jaroschinski's Krempe helmet.

http://www.hallstattzeit.de/

Sorry German only

Re: - Ross Cowan - 02-27-2010

Quote:I agree with Christian. It is not a Negau. I'm not sure if it can be described as a direct ancestor. The Negau develops from single, not multi-part, bowl helmets, e.g. the so-called Buckelhelme types. The direct precursor of the Negau may be a particular form of the sixth cent. BC Picente 'Montelparo' helmet. See Egg 1986, no. 57, and my articles in Ancient Warfare iss. 3 (2007) and Arch. Korr. for a Montelparo helmet showing clear signs of development towards the classic Negau form.

M. Egg, Italische Helme: Studien zu den ältereisenzeitlichen Helmen Italiens und der Alpen (1986)

Ross H. Cowan ‘An Important Italic Helmet Rediscovered’, Archäologisches Korrespondenzblatt 37 (2007), 379-387

Cheers,
R

For a set of pictures of this Montelparo helmet see [url:f29zp6qn]http://www.flickr.com/photos/rosscowan/sets/72157623516160786/[/url].

Re: Helmet name - Denda - 03-04-2010

Sure it isn't Negau. It is a 'Helm mit zugammengesetzer Kalotte - südostalpine Typ' (Antike Helm, pages 236 ff.) = helmet with composite calotte - Eastern Alpine type