New Example of Lorica Plumata Found Today!

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New Example of Lorica Plumata Found Today! - Daniel S Peterson - 02-29-2004

I found a nice example of Roman Lorica Plumata at a coin show in Konz, Germany near Trier. I have sent an image, along with a traditional squamata scale, chain mail hook, and section of Roman lamellar armor to Rich, who hopefully will post it on this thread. 
 
It is incredibly intricate work, many of the riveted cupric alloy chain mail links are LESS than 3mm in diameter. Each tiny, 5mmx10mm ribbed scale has four links of chain mail through it. It does not appear to have been tinned or silvered.

Re: New Example of Lorica Plumata Found Today! - FlaviusCrispus - 02-29-2004

Dan-- 
 
You mean an ENTIRE plumata shirt? Or a fragment? If the latter, how big? 
 
BTW, since you seem to be online as we speak, want to join me in the chat room for a sec? I'm heading there now. 
 
T. Flavius Crispus

Re: New Example of Lorica Plumata Found Today! - FlaviusCrispus - 02-29-2004

OK, how do you make the damned chatroom work? I can see the chat aplet in the upper corner of my screen, but can't seem to enter any content (type words) into the space provided. In fact, the whole aplet is a uniform beige color, which seems to suggest there is no area to enter content. Hmmmph! 
 
Flavius Crispus

Re: New Example of Lorica Plumata Found Today! - Daniel S Peterson - 02-29-2004

Flavius, I don't know how to make it work either. this is why, although LEG XIIII may be the oldest real Roman reenactment group, and has gone to the most exotic places, and has done the most interesting things, but we do not have a website to tell about it. 
 
Dan

Re: New Example of Lorica Plumata Found Today! - Anonymous - 02-29-2004

It's the world's best kept secret. <a href=http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Segontium/>Late Roman Yahoo GroupEdited by: <A HREF=http://pub45.ezboard.com/bromanarmytalk.showUserPublicProfile?gid=davekufner>Dave Kufner</A> <IMG HEIGHT=10 WIDTH=10 SRC="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Segontium/" BORDER=0> at: 2/29/04 9:16 pm

Re: New Example of Lorica Plumata Found Today! - richsc - 02-29-2004

Many thanks to Dan, and here's the image: 
 
img15.photobucket.com/alb...lumata.jpg Legio XX 
Fortius Conamur

Re: New Example of Lorica Plumata Found Today! - mcbishop - 03-01-2004

I must admit I'm more intrigued by the mail fastener, paralleled by examples from Longthorpe and Buxton Museum (unprovenanced)... but that's just me ;-) 
 
Mike Bishop

Re: New Example of Lorica Plumata Found Today! - Daniel S Peterson - 03-01-2004

Mike, 
I was told that the mail fastener is from Rheingonheim. I just threw that in for "filler". If scans like this are acceptable (front and back), I'll scan all the segmentata parts, and whatever else you would like. I recently scanned all of my sword scabbard and shield parts for Von Grawert who is forwarding them for German publications on those two subjects. 
 
Dan

Re: New Example of Lorica Plumata Found Today! - mcbishop - 03-03-2004

If scans like this are acceptable (front and back), I'll scan all the segmentata parts, and whatever else you would like. 
 
If you scan at 200 dpi colour, that is print-quality and will reproduce at 1:1 in JRMES and we could also use them to put colour piccies on the JRMES website to accompany an article. Just stick them on a CD when you get a chance. We could go for that catalogue of your stuff if you're still interested, using a mixture of drawings and photos. 
 
Mike Bishop

Re: New Example of Lorica Plumata Found Today! - Luca - 03-04-2004

Dan, 
I can offer also web space for a small article on my web site with a couple of pics, if you need that. 
ciao

Re: New Example of Lorica Plumata Found Today! - Gaius Octavius Drusus - 03-05-2004

Dan: 
 
When making that squamata, did the Romans use some form of magnifying device (a glass globe filled with water) to more clearly make out the rings? It is hard for me to imagine how small the rivets are, much less how they were manpulated. 
 
Gaius Octavius Drusus

Re: New Example of Lorica Plumata Found Today! - Daniel S Peterson - 03-05-2004

Gaius, 
Good question. The sophistication of Roman glass manufacture was such that excellent magnifying lenses were even possible, though I don't believe anything like that has ever been found. I believe there are some round glass Roman bottles that may have served in such a capacity. 
 
Dan

Re: New Example of Lorica Plumata Found Today! - John Maddox Roberts - 03-06-2004

There is another possibility. The famous Etruscan bronze jewellery with the whole surface covered with incredibly tiny "shot" soldered on has never been duplicated. The ancient story was that the "shot" were placed on the surface by children, and that after the age of 12 it was no longer possible to see well enough or have a delicate enough touch to perform this exacting task. The ancient world (and much of the modern) had no compunctions about child labor. Perhaps that incredibly fine mail was made by children.

Re: New Example of Lorica Plumata Found Today! - Daniel S Peterson - 03-06-2004

Virtually all of the chain mail made in India for all of the firms is made in Meerut, almost exclusively in homes, and made by Moslem wormen. 
 
this was one place I couldn't go to check on this work. 
 
Dan

Re: New Example of Lorica Plumata Found Today! - Anonymous - 03-08-2004

This might fit in with the fact that when i lived in Turkey all silk "persian" rugs were made by 12 year old or younger girls as their fingers then get to big to do the knotting.