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1st Century Roman Leather Pouch Link - Ironhand - 08-11-2007
While browsing online I found an interesting article on the Historic Life website. Look fairly well researched, but you tell me. Heres the link.
www.historiclife.com/pdf/1stCenturyRomanPouch.pdf
Re: 1st Century Roman Leather Pouch Link - M. Demetrius - 08-12-2007
I think this bag has a thread on here, reproduced by Martin Moser, but I could be wrong. It's a nice pouch, any way you look at it. I think I just might make one to replace my older pouch, which is made to look more or less like a two loops to the belt loculus.
How do we post pictures on this forum these days?
Re: 1st Century Roman Leather Pouch Link - M. CVRIVS ALEXANDER - 08-12-2007
That is right - http://www.romanarmy.com/rat/viewtopic. ... compascuum
I made one following Martin's instructions. The author lists Martin in his bibliography. The author mentioned that the pouch contained about 300 denarii when found, but since the earliest was one of Commodus, I would not be so sure about its first century date :wink:
Re: 1st Century Roman Leather Pouch Link - MatthewD - 08-12-2007
Very cool pouch.. looks like I might another project to be working on..
Re: 1st Century Roman Leather Pouch Link - M. Demetrius - 08-12-2007
Quote:but since the earliest was one of Commodus, I would not be so sure about its first century dateAgreed in part, but what was the latest coin found...that would be the one to date the bag from, wouldn't it? Just asking.
Re: 1st Century Roman Leather Pouch Link - M. CVRIVS ALEXANDER - 08-12-2007
I do not have the info - Martin Moser might though.
Re: 1st Century Roman Leather Pouch Link - Wes - 08-12-2007
I just finished a pouch made from the drawing of the one found, fron Mr. Moser's post. I did my drawstring from braided hemp though. great post, was glad to see they gave credit!!
Re: 1st Century Roman Leather Pouch Link - Matthew Amt - 08-12-2007
Very nice pouch indeed! And a great little article about it. But still no evidence that any pouch was ever worn on the military belt, eh?
Matthew
Re: 1st Century Roman Leather Pouch Link - M. Demetrius - 08-12-2007
Is there any mode described anywhere that tells where a miles carried his coin? I'm genuinely curious.
Could pouches be made of heavy woven cloth, besides leather, you think?
Re: 1st Century Roman Leather Pouch Link - Wes - 08-12-2007
I have enough thin deer scrap to probably make 1 or 2 more if anyone wants it. I can send ya the scrap or make one for whom ever.
Heres another bad pic..I really need a new camera...sorry!
![[Image: IMG_0070.jpg]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v382/wes1761/IMG_0070.jpg)
Re: 1st Century Roman Leather Pouch Link - Matthew Amt - 08-13-2007
Quote:Is there any mode described anywhere that tells where a miles carried his coin? I'm genuinely curious.
Several bronze arm purses have been found, which can be worn on the upper arm under the tunic sleeve. There is a mention somewhere of a "money belt", which at a guess could be just 2 layers of leather with coins hidden between them. Or you can put your money (and car keys!) in a leather or cloth pouch and either carry it in your satchel, or just drop it inside your tunic--that's what I do! Plenty of space.
But there are NO depictions or suggestions of ANYthing hung from a belt around the first century.
You might guess that this is one of my pet peeves, along with bracers or wrist guards!
Matthew
Re: 1st Century Roman Leather Pouch Link - Marcus Mummius - 08-13-2007
When not in armour I always put a lot of stuff (money, small knife etc.) in my fascia ventralis (waistsash).
Vale,
Re: 1st Century Roman Leather Pouch Link - Martin Moser - 08-14-2007
Hi all,
as for dating, the pouch is thought to be 2nd/3rd century, but drawstring pouches certainly weren't a new invention then.
Quote:Very nice pouch indeed! And a great little article about it. But still no evidence that any pouch was ever worn on the military belt, eh?
Yes, certainly no evidence for that. Putting it inside your tunic rather than hanging it certainly seems a good, if not better, choice.
Quote: You might guess that this is one of my pet peeves, along with bracers or wrist guards!
I agree, although for that style of pouch we can be quite sure it did exist in the first century (while there is no proof for those rectangular, belt-loop pouches which always remind me more of ammo containers than someting roman). I would be quite surprised though if none of the drawstring pouches ever hang from a belt in the 1st cent. AD, be it civilian or military one. Still no evidence, however.
Re: 1st Century Roman Leather Pouch Link - Martin Moser - 08-14-2007
Ah, and on a sidenote, when researching shoes from Egypt last week I found that the very same way of braiding the leather string ends was used with some of the sandals from there:
Bargercompascuum (reconstructed)
![[Image: BargercompascuumRecon_04.jpg]](http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e268/ummos1501/ThingsRoman/Bags/Bargercompascuum/BargercompascuumRecon_04.jpg)
from shoes from Egypt (Heinrich Frauberger. Antike und frühmittelalterliche Fussbekleidungen aus Achmim-Panopolis. Düsseldorf: 1896)
![[Image: FraubergerAchmim_braidingDetail01.jpg]](http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e268/ummos1501/ThingsRoman/Bags/Bargercompascuum/FraubergerAchmim_braidingDetail01.jpg)
Re: 1st Century Roman Leather Pouch Link - Wes - 08-14-2007
Can you show a picture of your fascia ventralis? That is a new term to me, I do have a sash for my 18th century stuff...I am curious if they are similar....
Wes