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Re: IOVI OPTIMO MAXIMO! Wire Inlay is Easier Than You Think! - Matt Lukes - 07-03-2007
Well there you are then- I'd say you're a little more free with your choices of decoration since you're not trying for a super-authentic piece. I don't know how easy this technique of inlay would work on 4130 steel though- the Romans did it in plain iron and I did it in regular mild steel- something with a rather higher carbon content plus chromium and molybdenum might not work so well, especially after you further harden it by all the forming that'll be necessary.
Re: IOVI OPTIMO MAXIMO! Wire Inlay is Easier Than You Think! - Aedinius - 07-04-2007
Yep, that is the rub there. While shaping the piece, it will harden very quckly making it very difficult to make the channels. When the piece is tempered, might as well forget it. What I was thinking while the piece is flat, to make the channels beforhand. Shape the piece and then temper it. When that is done, place the inlay wire into the channel and the clean up the entire piece with sanding and buffing. I probably will be using 12 gauge Bronze Wire from the ringlord for the inlay. This is my theory at least
I will probably practice on a piece of scrap and see how it works making a channel, curving it and throwing into the kiln, then seeing if I can put in the inlay and sand it down. Thanks for the grat inspiration btw!!
Re: IOVI OPTIMO MAXIMO! Wire Inlay is Easier Than You Think! - Matt Lukes - 07-04-2007
Sure thing- I hope you get it to work. The thing is that I know the level of shaping necessary and I'd be dubious that the channels will survive the shaping particularly well. But then again your test piece should help you determine whether or not this would happen :wink:
Re: IOVI OPTIMO MAXIMO! Wire Inlay is Easier Than You Think! - Aedinius - 07-04-2007
Worst scenerio I could put inlay in the Segmentata since the curves are not near as complex. That would look really nice on the shoulders.
Re: IOVI OPTIMO MAXIMO! Wire Inlay is Easier Than You Think! - Matt Lukes - 07-04-2007
But that would definitely be a real fantasy piece because the segmentata was definitely not something that'd be decorated with inlay. The fittings on it weren't even straight or consistently-placed afterall- it was 'inexpensive' armor.
Oh and there's no real reason to use bronze wire- brass would be just as, if not more, appropriate- and it's a lot less-expensive usually.
Re: IOVI OPTIMO MAXIMO! Wire Inlay is Easier Than You Think! - Aedinius - 07-04-2007
Yeah, so true, and as being Roman minded I am very practical. SO, I will learn on the inlay and see what I can do with it like a scabbard inlay or something else.
Re: IOVI OPTIMO MAXIMO! Wire Inlay is Easier Than You Think! - Gaius Julius Caesar - 07-04-2007
I thought there was an iron musculata found. Gioi posted some pics a while back, which was iron!
Re: IOVI OPTIMO MAXIMO! Wire Inlay is Easier Than You Think! - Gaius Julius Caesar - 07-04-2007
Found it. I hope Gioi does not mind me posting his picture!
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/Comerus/cuir.jpg
Re: IOVI OPTIMO MAXIMO! Wire Inlay is Easier Than You Think! - Matt Lukes - 07-04-2007
Oh SUPER COOL- I missed this one- what thread is it in? I'd love to know where that's from, whose it is, etc.
Re: IOVI OPTIMO MAXIMO! Wire Inlay is Easier Than You Think! - Gaius Julius Caesar - 07-04-2007
It's in a museum in Corfu, nice helmet there too! Check out thegreek reenactor thread, and it is in the link for Macedonian armour
http://www.romanarmy.com/rat/viewtopic.php?t=16559
on the first or second page of the thread!
Re: IOVI OPTIMO MAXIMO! Wire Inlay is Easier Than You Think! - marsvigilia - 07-05-2007
Quote:Yeah tis true I am making it out of .032 4130 steel I have ready to go. I am or will be using for fighting (SCA) so I need it pretty tough. I do want make a bronze casted applique of a Gorgon fo rthe front, but that will be a little further down the road
After making it in steel, you could probably get it brass plated, that way it could be tough as steel and brassy as well... brass.
Re: IOVI OPTIMO MAXIMO! Wire Inlay is Easier Than You Think! - Icelandic - 07-05-2007
Quote:Worst scenerio I could put inlay in the Segmentata since the curves are not near as complex. That would look really nice on the shoulders.
I've actually been thinking of doing the same thing with my seg I'm making--granted, I'm making it a very slow-going process, but I think that wire inlay in the shoulders would look really cool
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Re: IOVI OPTIMO MAXIMO! Wire Inlay is Easier Than You Think! - Icelandic - 07-05-2007
Quote:Finally with some emery cloth then finer sandpaper (or a file/disc or belt sander if necessary) and it's done.
what grit of sandpaper do you deem "finer"?
Re: IOVI OPTIMO MAXIMO! Wire Inlay is Easier Than You Think! - Matt Lukes - 07-05-2007
Well it's more an issue of personal choice, which is why I wasn't specific- you could go all the way to 1000 grit if you wanted- it's simply a matter of how smooth and shiny you want the surface to be. For this test piece I think I just went to 320 or 400.