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Re: Female Lorica Musculata - spyros - 03-29-2007
Its one of the two Torsos in the Athenian agora of Iliad and Odyssey. So yes it is a female torso
Re: Female Lorica Musculata - Marcus Mummius - 03-29-2007
Quote:Its one of the two Torsos in the Athenian agora of Iliad and Odyssey. So yes it is a female torso
Nice!
Re: Female Lorica Musculata - Tarbicus - 03-29-2007
Quote:Its one of the two Torsos in the Athenian agora of Iliad and Odyssey. So yes it is a female torso
So possibly an amazon? Given Roman cavalry helmets using them for face masks and decoration, not too far fetched, perhaps?
Re: Female Lorica Musculata - Gaius Julius Caesar - 03-29-2007
Quote:Its one of the two Torsos in the Athenian agora of Iliad and Odyssey. So yes it is a female torso
That's where i saw it before!!! :lol: :lol:
Re: Female Lorica Musculata - spyros - 03-29-2007
Quote:spyros:31olijxm Wrote:Its one of the two Torsos in the Athenian agora of Iliad and Odyssey. So yes it is a female torso
So possibly an amazon? Given Roman cavalry helmets using them for face masks and decoration, not too far fetched, perhaps?
No, not amazons. They were common during roman and Hellenistic eras. The personifications of Iliad and Odyssey are potraited in full regalia with myothorax (musculata) Hercules knots, pteruges, exactly like these, from Travis Clark wonderful page
http://astro.temple.edu/~tlclark/lorica/musculata2.htm
These two are roman.
Re: Female Lorica Musculata - Tarbicus - 03-29-2007
Quote:No, not amazons. They were common during roman and Hellenistic eras. The personifications of Iliad and Odyssey are potraited in full regalia with myothorax (musculata) Hercules knots, pteruges, exactly like these, from Travis Clark wonderful pageYes, I know it's Roman, but the statue is possibly a Roman representation of an Amazon from the Iliad, is what I'm saying.
http://astro.temple.edu/~tlclark/lorica/musculata2.htm
These two are roman.
Re: Female Lorica Musculata - spyros - 03-29-2007
:oops: Sorry Tarbicus. Well to be honest, only the torsos have survived so I can't for the life of me say whether you are right or not about the amazon look of the rest.
Re: Female Lorica Musculata - Steve Lenz - 03-29-2007
http://astro.temple.edu/~tlclark/lorica ... itdeta.jpg
Ok, i retreat! The Torso is possibly female! :x
[size=59:1a4lyo4s]But my head is the hardest![/size]
Re: Female Lorica Musculata - Sulla - 03-30-2007
Glad to see you are honest and admit when the evidence is going the other way
Re: Female Lorica Musculata - Steve Lenz - 03-30-2007
I only believe what i see! 8)
Re: Female Lorica Musculata - Sulla - 03-30-2007
Well some dont even believe things then haha
Re: Female Lorica Musculata - Gaius Julius Caesar - 03-30-2007
Quote:http://astro.temple.edu/~tlclark/lorica/images/templehadrianbritdeta.jpg
Ok, i retreat! The Torso is possibly female! :x
[size=59:1apptocs]But my head is the hardest![/size]
Pwoarrr!!!! What a babe! :wink: :roll: :lol:
Re: Female Lorica Musculata - aitor iriarte - 03-30-2007
There is no problem about a musculata-clad female statue. A goddess, I think. Not Minerva, who would be portraited wearing the Aegis on her chest, but Dea Roma.
Aitor
Re: Female Lorica Musculata - tlclark - 03-31-2007
Spyros nailed it before I did. Good job! Laudes.
The side view is a hard one to judge from, but from a frontal view it's easier to tell that its far more wasp-waisted than a typical loricata, making it clearly female.
It is an allegorical figure, a fantasy, made most clear by the impossible aspects of the armor. The Herakles knot passes UNDER the trophaeum for example, something you never see on a musculata on a general which presumably had tighter standards.
Exactly what it's an allegorical figure of, I couldn't guess because the head is missing.
I wouldn't say it's Roma, since she usually has one shoulder bear. I also agree it's not likely to be Minerva, since Minerva sports the aegis and the high girdled chiton or peplos.
Also not likely to be an Amazon since those usually show up in the stereotypical Persian dress with leggings, when they do show up in armor, or in short chlamys with one breast exposed.
It could be a Tyche or a literary figure, wish I knew which one.
Re: Female Lorica Musculata - Tarbicus - 03-31-2007
Quote:Not Minerva, who would be portraited wearing the Aegis on her chest, but Dea Roma.
Quote:I wouldn't say it's Roma, since she usually has one shoulder bear. I also agree it's not likely to be Minerva, since Minerva sports the aegis and the high girdled chiton or peplos.I bow to your greater knowledges, but beware typecasting too much. At the end of the day someone commissioned it from an artist, and what gets paid for gets made :wink:
Also not likely to be an Amazon since those usually show up in the stereotypical Persian dress with leggings, when they do show up in armor, or in short chlamys with one breast exposed.
It could be a Tyche or a literary figure, wish I knew which one.