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Re: Muscled thorax fastenings - Chris B - 11-06-2007
I made my Roman subarmalis with a linen body that opened on both sides. I basically made it like a modern ballistic/bullet proof vest or like the cuirass itself. I made the front panel and back panel with a small overlap at the top and sewed them together. Then I left the seams open where the flaps would go and padded the shoulders more. I made the flaps out of two rows of leather, stiched the two rows of leather together and then stitched them into the subarmor. Then I simply used loops and strips of leather down both sides to close it. You could just have one side open, but I opted for both for potential weight gain with age. The stich and transition from linen to leather is hidden completely by the armor. One note is that the leather makes it rather on the heavy side. I intend to do the same for my Greek armor but with two layers of linen rectangular flaps with fringe, two rows of leather circular, and four rows of linen on the shoulders. Just some ideas. Good luck.
Re: Muscled thorax fastenings - Gaius Julius Caesar - 11-06-2007
Quote:I agree, also, as do many others, that the pterugys were attached to the subarmalis, which may have been made from soft leather or heavy cloth.
The other camp says that not only is that not true, but that this sculpture basically proves that "all leather musculata were made soft, like the one in this sculpture".
That has been discussed extensively on RAT in times past, and the battle lines were pretty grim for some folks. Beware, men, you're right on the verge.
Fear not, the yawning void, for those who shirk the precipice call, will never know her rewards...... :wink:
Re: Muscled thorax fastenings - Dimitris - 11-10-2007
That's a wonderful picture of a seemingly great thorax! Do you have any idea why he used both hinges and rings? Is there any case the hinges, without the rings, open by themselves? I thought they would be held together by the stress...
Re: Muscled thorax fastenings - Giannis K. Hoplite - 11-10-2007
Dimitri,as I told you,many thoraxes had both hinges and rings.More stability,I guess,and not so much stress on the hinges. pics of the whole piece,Gioi?
Khairete
Giannis
Re: Muscled thorax fastenings - Giannis K. Hoplite - 11-10-2007
Also,I forgot to comment on it earlier.About the pteryges. The example you mentioned,from the Dodoni statuette,I'm sure you know it's much earlier than your cuirass.
http://www.romanarmy.com/rat/viewtopic. ... &start=180
http://www.romanarmy.com/rat/viewtopic. ... &start=200
More appropriate would be something like this:
http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o118 ... hens3a.jpg
http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o118 ... hens2a.jpg
http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o118 ... hens1a.jpg
You see double or triple rows.More difficult to make,but this is what the evidence tells us for the 5th and 4th centuries.For fifth century you can use two rows,while in the 4th they became three.Of course I'm talking about frequency and not for standard practice.
From vases,take a look at this.Single row is visible,but could imply two.After all,all linothorakes are depicted with single row,too.
http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o118 ... battle.jpg
Khaire
Giannis
Re: Muscled thorax fastenings - Gaius Julius Caesar - 11-10-2007
Thats a good idea Chris, nice sub too. I was thinking of doing a new one, and following Edges advice about pigskin, so may be a combination of yours, mine and pigskin.........good picture!
Re: Muscled thorax fastenings - M. Demetrius - 11-10-2007
Utterly, totally, beautiful work! Master craftsmanship!
Re: Muscled thorax fastenings - M. Demetrius - 11-27-2007
Quote:BTW: Dimitris... how complete is your cuirass now?Well... :oops: I have the linen in a nice, safe place. And some cardboard for a pattern.
Uh, other than that, my excuse is that I spent the summer in the hospital with my wife. Not a great excuse, but the best I have right now. :?
I've decided to try the quilting method instead of the glue, though. I'll keep folks up once that project gets underway.
Re: Muscled thorax fastenings - Dimitris - 11-28-2007
Demetrius, our names look much alike! :wink:
I'm really sorry I've been away from this thread for so long. We have been having an exam session in school for the last two weeks or so, which has been taking most of my time. To answer your question Gioi, I haven't worked on my cuirass at all. On the other hand I've started my subarmalis (sewing is much easier to squeeze in between studying than hammering
). I'll post some pics one of these days. BTW all those pics are just great! They'll be of great help when I start working on the thorax again.Giannis: The reason I asked about the hinge-ring combination is because that is a reproduction and I wondered if it made any practical difference to the user. Thanks A LOT for those pics as well, I'm making the pteryges according to one of the statues'. Oh, I found Conolly's book in Athens, didn't have to order, and it's just great! Great load of info!
Re: Muscled thorax fastenings - Giannis K. Hoplite - 01-16-2008
Hey,Dimitri,take a look at this...
http://www.the300immortals.com/armor.html
http://www.the300immortals.com/news.html
I think the muscled cuirass is the exact same M.Amt has in his site,and has been polished...It has better views that might help you with yours.
I suspect you're too busy to hammer,huh?Even I am too busy,I've achieved to forget how was two years ago! :roll:
Khaire
Giannis
PS. By the way,does anybody has any more info on this armour?Who posesses it? Helmet and greaves must be from manning.
Re: Muscled thorax fastenings - aitor iriarte - 01-16-2008
My cuirass was made by Steve Hamblind (UK) some years ago. It is an excellent work, but it should be re-worked to fit me better
cry: Aitor
Re: Muscled thorax fastenings - Giannis K. Hoplite - 01-16-2008
Emmm,do you mean to say THIS one is your cuirass :?: Have you got pics, etc?(even if this is not your cuirass I'd like to see yours)
Khaire
Giannis
Re: Muscled thorax fastenings - Giannis K. Hoplite - 01-16-2008
GioiI just checked Matt's site.The cuirass is indeed the same,it was made by Exsekias Trivoulidis and owned by him.The helmet I'm sure it's manning,in particular this one
http://manningimperial.com/item.php?ite ... =3&c_id=56
It is bronze and the finishing can be produced.Eduardo's helmet,I'm sure you remember,has a similar finish due to use.
The greaves are also from manning,the lining is exactly the same,appart from the general shape.
The cast helmet on e-bay was it this one?
![[Image: 7385.jpg]](http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o118/kadoglou_gr/7385.jpg)
Have you got the link on e-bay?
Khaire
Giannis
Re: Muscled thorax fastenings - aitor iriarte - 01-16-2008
Giannis,
I was referring to this cuirass:
![[Image: front.jpg]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v110/tribunus/front.jpg)
and yes, it's mine :wink:
Gioi has posted a lot of pics but, if there is a special detail you'd like to see, just tell me.
Aitor[/img]
Re: Muscled thorax fastenings - Giannis K. Hoplite - 01-16-2008
Haha,don't worry Gioi,I won't kill you...but how the hell you mixed the two cuirasses?
hock: :lol: The helmet I posted is indeed cast. A member from "The Phalanx" forum posted it. He said he made the mold from an original I think. He was trying to find an easier way to make such helmets to sell them.
Khaire
Giannis