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Re: 1st Century Roman Leather Pouch Link - Senovara - 09-12-2007
Awesome pouches, thanks for the pics. Not only do they look great, they seem very sturdy too.
Re: 1st Century Roman Leather Pouch Link - Martin Moser - 09-12-2007
Thanks, Jef, that's the one I meant. Ah, and of course there were applications, like e.g. on this one and this one
Re: 1st Century Roman Leather Pouch Link - Marcus Mummius - 09-12-2007
Quote:Awesome pouches, thanks for the pics. Not only do they look great, they seem very sturdy too.
Yes, it's very sturdy and can really hold a lot of stuff.
Re: 1st Century Roman Leather Pouch Link - Gaius Julius Caesar - 09-13-2007
Quote:"I didn't know any pouch remains were found at Lyon" The pouch itself had long disappeared, but the presence of :-
a/ Money (poss carried in a pouch)
b/ A loop on the belt to hold (say) a pouch
c/ The absence of anything else that could have hung from it
...leads me IMHO to believe that a pouch was carried by the poor bloke who ended up in a well- though I cannot prove it.... Certainly, James his Dura book believes that the loop in the Utere Felix belt was used to hang a pouch off it.
Btw , re the canteen, was this the source- looking at the archway on the left?
Cheers
Caballo
![[Image: TClegion.jpg]](http://www.scran.ac.uk/packs/exhibitions/learning_materials/webs/56/Images/Trajcol/TClegion.jpg)
Hmmm .......what is that chap wearing on his belt at the right......not a pouch is it? Someone had better tell him it's not period... :lol:
ok I know it dosn't hang like a pouch, but it could be one wraped around a belt to stop it flaping all over the shop?
Re: 1st Century Roman Leather Pouch Link - Senovara - 09-13-2007
Quote:
Yes, it's very sturdy and can really hold a lot of stuff.
Neat. What are the size dimentions?
Re: 1st Century Roman Leather Pouch Link - Marcus Mummius - 09-13-2007
Quote:Marcus Mummius:1ejs41ew Wrote:Yes, it's very sturdy and can really hold a lot of stuff.
Neat. What are the size dimentions?
I think about 20 cm high and 25cm wide.
Vale,
Re: 1st Century Roman Leather Pouch Link - Gaius Julius Caesar - 09-13-2007
I am planning on doing a pouch myself, but a simpler design altogether.
Although the reinforcing of the draw string holes may be a sensible idea!
This design is perhaps too elaborate for a legionary?
As to dating, who can say they weren't used in the 1st century ad or bc, as pouches were used by many other cultures, before the late Romans came along! And when something is found is not a guarantee that it only appeared at this time.... :?:
Re: 1st Century Roman Leather Pouch Link - Crispvs - 09-13-2007
The things carried on their furcas by the Trajan's column soldiers appear to be loculus, patera, rolled cloak or clothing bag, bucket/cooking pot and something in a net bag. They also carry their helmets on their right shoulder, as does the marching soldier from one of the Mainz column bases. http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b73/C ... imbase.jpg
What I do not see is a canteen, although it remains a possibility that the net bags may contain water bottles. The lump on the soldier's belt is certainly interesting but I note that he does not seem to have a sword and this is about the point we would expect to see his scabbard hanging. Could this have been carved somewhat more in the round than some of the other figures in the scene and subsequently been broken off?
Crispvs
Re: 1st Century Roman Leather Pouch Link - Hugh Fuller - 09-13-2007
Would the larger belt-loop belt pouches, but not the ones that look like modern cartridge or magazine carriers, be fitting in a very Late Dominate period personna?
Re: 1st Century Roman Leather Pouch Link - Gaius Julius Caesar - 09-13-2007
Quote:The things carried on their furcas by the Trajan's column soldiers appear to be loculus, patera, rolled cloak or clothing bag, bucket/cooking pot and something in a net bag. They also carry their helmets on their right shoulder, as does the marching soldier from one of the Mainz column bases. http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b73/C ... imbase.jpg
What I do not see is a canteen, although it remains a possibility that the net bags may contain water bottles. The lump on the soldier's belt is certainly interesting but I note that he does not seem to have a sword and this is about the point we would expect to see his scabbard hanging. Could this have been carved somewhat more in the round than some of the other figures in the scene and subsequently been broken off?
Crispvs
I think his sword and his friendly mate behind him's hand were carved out and then broken off...so much for that idea. but still, pouches were the best idea anyway, unless you can see any wrist purses? 8)
Re: 1st Century Roman Leather Pouch Link - Martin Moser - 09-13-2007
Quote:Marcus Mummius:gicbok6h Wrote:Yes, it's very sturdy and can really hold a lot of stuff.
Neat. What are the size dimentions?
The original (not complete) is an estimated 32x25 cm according to van Waateringe. Article is:
Groenman-van Waateringe, W. 'Römische Lederfunde aus Vindonissa und Valkenburg Z.H.; ein Vergleich', Gesellschaft pro Vindonissa. Jahresbericht 1974, 62-84
Re: 1st Century Roman Leather Pouch Link - Marcus Mummius - 09-13-2007
Quote:Senovara:3o6g0uci Wrote:Marcus Mummius:3o6g0uci Wrote:Yes, it's very sturdy and can really hold a lot of stuff.
Neat. What are the size dimentions?
The original (not complete) is an estimated 32x25 cm according to van Waateringe. Article is:
Groenman-van Waateringe, W. 'Römische Lederfunde aus Vindonissa und Valkenburg Z.H.; ein Vergleich', Gesellschaft pro Vindonissa. Jahresbericht 1974, 62-84
Ah yes, I made mine to these dimensions
Now I remember 8)
Re: 1st Century Roman Leather Pouch Link - Senovara - 09-14-2007
Quote:I am planning on doing a pouch myself, but a simpler design altogether.
Neat, let's see a pic after you've finished!
I've been making pouches using that "fake" leather stuff you get at fabric stores -- purely decorative, fanciful bags (those wrist purses you referred to Byron :lol: -- but I'd like to try making genuine leather ones.
Re: 1st Century Roman Leather Pouch Link - Mithras - 09-14-2007
Has anyone ever seen any pouches on sculpture, carvings or paintings?
I used to wear a pouch off my Late Roman belt, it contained some coin copies, and some nice real Roman coins. I was skirmishing in woods, and the thing was lost ... I was furious (mostly because I thought it contained my $60 silver-plated crossbow brooch - it didn't).
I never hang the pouch. I do alot of marching, 10-13 miles a day, and we lose knives, and other minor things ... if I had real money ... say £100 in cash, I am not dangling it from my belt!!!! Not now! It goes inside a goatskin leather bag, along with lots of other pouches, one contains lead bullets, one contains gaming pieces, others contain grain, lentils, etc.
From personal experience ... no hanging pouches!
Re: 1st Century Roman Leather Pouch Link - Gaius Julius Caesar - 09-15-2007
Quote:From personal experience ... no hanging pouches!
Quite possibly why they are not seen in sculpture, all carried safely in bags....