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Later Roman arm guard? - Nathan Ross - 11-25-2014
Quote:utterly fanciful
What, the whole thing? :-)
I believe the torso armour, belts, pteruges, greaves and scabbard are based on a trophy sculpture found near Abrittus and dated to the mid-late third century. There's probably a picture of that online somewhere too... The old problem of interpreting sculptural representations recurs here, perhaps...
Later Roman arm guard? - Renatus - 11-25-2014
Quote:I believe the torso armour, belts, pteruges, greaves and scabbard are based on a trophy sculpture found near Abrittus and dated to the mid-late third century.It's from this in the Archaeological Museum of Tropaeum Traiani at Adamclisi and, I believe, from a Constantinian reconstruction dated to 316. Not entirely fanciful, after all, but still no authority for the arm guard.
http://istoriesinumismatica.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/dsc05779.jpg
Later Roman arm guard? - Nathan Ross - 11-25-2014
Quote:this in the Archaeological Museum of Tropaeum Traiani at Adamclisi
Yes, that's the one exactly. But, as you say, no arm guards... I remain mystified by them...
Later Roman arm guard? - Renatus - 11-25-2014
Quote:It's from this in the Archaeological Museum of Tropaeum Traiani at Adamclisi and, I believe, from a Constantinian reconstruction dated to 316.It occurs to me that this is rather ambiguous. I was trying to say that the trophy in the photograph came from a Constantinian reconstruction, not that there were two pieces of evidence.
Later Roman arm guard? - Nathan Ross - 11-25-2014
Quote:this is rather ambiguous.
Actually I was already quite confused by this sculpture! Is it believed to be a third century piece reused in the reconstruction of the city of Civitas Tropaensium by Constantine and/or Licinius, or a fourth century copy of a third century piece, or a third or fourth century copy of the original trophy on the top of the Trajanic monument?
Later Roman arm guard? - Renatus - 11-25-2014
Quote:Actually I was already quite confused by this sculpture! Is it believed to be a third century piece reused in the reconstruction of the city of Civitas Tropaensium by Constantine and/or Licinius, or a fourth century copy of a third century piece, or a third or fourth century copy of the original trophy on the top of the Trajanic monument?I glanced at D'Amato's book in Waterstones this afternoon and, as far as I remember, it says something about the sculpture being "retrospective", which could mean that it is third century piece re-used or a fourth century copy of a third century original. My initial thought was that it was the latter but now I'm not so sure. And why use it as a model for a centurion anyway?
Later Roman arm guard? - Martin Moser - 11-25-2014
Quote:It's from this in the Archaeological Museum of Tropaeum Traiani at Adamclisi and, I believe, from a Constantinian reconstruction dated to 316. Not entirely fanciful, after all, but still no authority for the arm guard.
http://istoriesinumismatica.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/dsc05779.jpg
Hah! It does indeed look like a Katzbalger hilt. Live and learn!
Later Roman arm guard? - Nathan Ross - 11-25-2014
Quote:Live and learn!
Ah yes, it does indeed have a double eagle hilt... Well spotted!
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