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Avete,

I recently bought an Albion pompeii-type gladius, the Pedite, and as a result was in need of a scabbard. While I will probably make one from scratch as my skills improve, I realized that I already owned a pompeii scabbard, from the 1171 Pompeii Gladius pictured below. This is a pretty popular seller here in the US as a good, off-the-shelf gladius.

I paid $85 for it, complete, and figured that if the conversion did not come out well, then I did not waste too much money.

Here is what I did:

1) Disassembly.
The scabbard hardware is glued onto the leather of the scabbard. The rivets on the guard hold the guard together, but do not go through the scabbard body. So, with a little tugging and some judicious work with an X-acto knife, I was able to remove the chape and guard. The palmette near the base of the scabbard is attached with small brass nails, which I removed.
The leather was glued onto the wooden body. I slit the row of stitching down the back and simply pulled until it came off.
I discarded the original baldric.
At this point I had all the parts separated and it was time to start the conversion.

2) Woodwork on the Scabbard Body.
The body of the scabbard was both too long and too wide for the Albion gladius, which is about 1/2" (13mm) narrower and 1.25" (30mm) shorter than the original gladius. It also had a couple of serious termite holes. The scabbard also had a great deal of glue and leather residue stuck to it.
Step 1 to shorten the scabbard by approx 1.25" (30mm) with a small handsaw.
Step 2 was to sand the scabbard smooth, initially with coarse grit and then finer grit sandpaper.
Step 3 was to narrow the scabbard, which I did by cutting two strips of basswood, approx 1/4" (6mm) wide and 1/8" (3mm) thick that were long enough to reach from the scabbard throat to the beginning of the bend at the chape. I then trimmed off one edge of each piece into a "V" shape to match the inner contour of the scabbard body. Once they were shaped to fit and tested to fit correctly with the gladius inserted, I put some glue on the "V" shaped edge and used a ruler to put them in place inside each edge of the scabbard. At this point, the Albion gladius was a nice, snug fit inside its new home.
Step 4 was to fix the termite holes, which I did with wood filler from the hardware store. I mixed it up, slapped it on, and then sanded it smooth. I also used this opportunity to fix some cracks in the scabbard, especially near the throat.
The wood work is now complete, and it was time to move onto the leather work.

3) Replacing the leather.
One of my intentions going into the project was that I HAD to replace the leather. Once I removed it, I could see that it had been painted rather poorly, and I wanted to dye the leather instead.
Step 1 was to make a template for its replacement. After I removed the leather I could see that it had been stretched over the scabbard, but it was not impossible to figure out how to form the replacement. To do this, I pinned the old cover to my worktable, and then measured where I could determine original dimensions. Length was no problem, and width all the way down to the bend at the chape was constant, about 4.5" (11.3cm). At this point, the leather was curved, with dimensions that gradually decreased to 1.5" (38mm). I measured across the curve at 4 points, and then transferred all of these dimensions onto a cardboard form. (I have a copy for those who might be interested.)
Step 2 was to cut the leather, using the form as a guide. I traced around the edges of my form onto some nice, thin, smooth goatskin. I then cut out the new leather cover.
Step 3 was to punch the holes for the leather stitching, which I did using a leather chisel about 1mm in width. I made the holes approx 6mm apart.
Step 4 was to stitch up the new leather cover with waxed linen thread, from the bottom to the top. The original stitching was done so that the edges of the leather butted together, but I made mine tighter due to the next step.
Step 5 was to attach the leather to the scabbard body. To do this, I thoroughly wet the leather, and then I added some Sno-Seal (emulsified beeswax) to the lower "shoulders" of the wooden body. I used Sno-Seal because I had it handy, but any lubricant like Vaseline, etc, will work. This overcomes the resistance of the wood to the goatskin. With some tugging and squeezing, I got the leather to fit over the wooden body like a second skin. The only part that did not turn out perfectly was that my line of stitching in the back was not "straight" -- it wandered off-center. But, I figured "it's the back, so who cares." Big Grin
At this point, I had a nice, tight leather cover on my wooden scabbard, which I let dry in a warm room.

4) Finishing the leather. I finished the leather with mahogany leather dye, applying coats until I was satisfied with the result. Once it dried, I sealed it with Sno-Seal, which is emulsified beeswax, using a hand dryer (I actually used a heat gun) to ensure that the leather absorbed a lot of the wax). I finished it by buffing with a soft cloth until I had a nice, rich glow.

5) Replacing the hardware.
Step 1 was to replace the chape, which I did with a little rubber cement.
Step 2 was to replace the guard, again with a little rubber cement.
Step 3 was the palmette. My good friend, Alex Kyrychenko (aka Marcus Curius Alexander :wink: ) did some work on this for me with a file and needle nosed pliers to improve its shape. When I removed the original nails, one of them broke, so I made a replacement from a brass escutcheon pin that I cut to length (about 4mm) and sharpened on a grinding wheel. I positioned the palmette where I wanted it and tapped in the nails, careful to avoid hitting the leather.

At this point, the scabbard itself is complete, and I decided to make a baldric for it to match. I started with a strip of leather, approx 1.3m (50") long and .5" (13mm) wide. I trimmed and beveled the edges, and then dyed it as above for the scabbard. I formed hinges for the attachments from sheet brass, and made a small buckle from brass wire. I riveted the hardware together with copper rivets.

Now, I am done, and am very happy with the new scabbard I have for my pompeii gladius from Albion.

Hope that this helps some of you that were thinking about re-doing the leather on your scabbards.

Below are the before (at bottom) and after photos.

Regards,

Edge
Quote:Once I removed it, I could see that it had been PAINTED rather than dyed.

I don't think painting leather is incorrect... Of course you have to look out for cracks and such on belts but on something that doesn't flex much, like a scabbard, I think painting is a viable option...
I've painted a scabbard and can't really see any reason not to do so, either.

Thanks for the info and step-by-step, Edge. These scabbards are great to play around with. The next one I customise may have a linen, rather than leather, covering.
Thanks, Guys. Glad to do it. I figured that somebody else had one of these lying around and might want an idea of a way to modify it and how difficult it might be. It was actually much less difficult than I thought.

I agree about painting the scabbard -- came on too strong about that. :oops:

What I should have said was "painted poorly" as opposed to the job that you guys would do. Big Grin

I'd love to see some pics if you do one in linen, Jim. That sounds very interesting and offers some neat possibilities in terms of decoration.

Edge
You did a very nice job!
Gaius my Pompei pattern gladius has a linen cover. I glued it on with hide glue, and then painted it with milk paint. Its much tougher than any of my others with a leather cover.
I've had only horrible experiences painting with old-type paint on leather- I haven't tried encaustic, but casein, tempra, etc. all crack terribly- is there really any reason to think leather was ever painted in antiquity?
I think that Paul experimented with paint on belts... I don't know if the results were good.

Vegetaly tanned leather can't be dyed with vegetal dyes very well. Apart from the iron filings in vinegar (to get black) I don't know what works... You need alumn tanned leather to dye with vegetal dyes like madder.

So if one would like to colour veg tan leather painting might be the only option.

I don't think there is any evidence for painted leather, I just don't believe it's impossible they ever did it. :wink:
Quote:I've had only horrible experiences painting with old-type paint on leather- I haven't tried encaustic, but casein, tempra, etc. all crack terribly- is there really any reason to think leather was ever painted in antiquity?
Colour colour colour Big Grin

The more impressive the look, the more chance of intimidating the enemy, IMHO. Burnished armour is often mentioned in primary sources, having an effect on the enemy. I know that's not painted armour, but IIRC a lot of leather has been found that was dyed or painted.
Oh sure, dye was unquestionably used- it was paint that I have trouble with. Modern paints, sure thing, but the stuff the Romans had?
Quote:I've had only horrible experiences painting with old-type paint on leather- I haven't tried encaustic, but casein, tempra, etc. all crack terribly- is there really any reason to think leather was ever painted in antiquity?

Matt the paint on my late Roman belt has crack some but not bad at all.

They painted fabric so why not leather? The only vexillum we have is painted linen. In my view its safe to assume that leather would have been painted.
What kind of paint did you use on the belt? The Vexillum is a good point- I wonder what kind of paint was used on it.
Matt I used regular milk paint from www.milkpaint.com
Weird- that's what I used and had the issue with hairline cracks across the entire surface. Or is that what you have and just live with?
Awesome job Edge...this should go into the how to section.
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