The Roman helmet database has just been updated wih the publication of the remainder of the Imperial Gallic helmets. If you glance in there, you will see that many of the new additions do not have an illustration(s). This is not because illustrations do not exist, but because they are covered by copyright laws. A number of people have generously sent us photos, which we have been able to use, as you will see. However, if the database is to be of any real use, then we do need up-to-date, modern colour pictures, taken from as many angles as possible and showing interesting features.
This is not an exhaustive list, but we are lacking illustrations for helmets in the following locations: ZAGREB (Gallic C & Gallic F), AMSTERDAM (Gallic E), BESANCON (Gallic F), MADRID (not certain, ex Guttmann helmet, Gallic F), MUNSTER (Gallic G), WIESBADEN (Gallic K), EDINBURGH (Cavalry sports C).
If any of your are planning on going on holiday to or live in/near to any of these locations, could you please keep the above in mind?
The database currently conains 110 helmets (published), which is roughly a quarter of the number that I have information on. The remainder will be published over the next few months, as and when I get the time so to do. Stay tuned!
Dr. Mike Thomas
(Caratacus)
Not sure if they're what you're after, but you're welcome to put them in as placeholders for now. I'll split them up if you want them.
[url:3p7b2ths]http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i311/tarbicus/gallic_f_03.jpg[/url]
These from Zagreb were published....where? I remeber that in old RAT there was a member from Zagreb?
On a related note, what do we call the helmet used by Praetorian Guards in the following relief, which is also frequently seen used by prefects and other high-ranking personnel. It's one of the more popular helmets in Hollywood.
SOCL:
I think they wear attic helmets.
Caratacus:
Maybe you could be interested in this one too:
http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l259/ ... getio7.jpg
This helmet has no name according to Robinson's typology because it was found in year 2001 in the civilian settlement of Brigetio by archeologist László Borhy and is currently displayed in the Klapka György Museum in Komárom.
Mr. Borhy states only that this is a weisenau type helmet with remains of 'winglike forms' on the front of the skull (eyebrows?) and it has three steps on the neckguard, very similar to the Italic G helmet.
As far as I know the helmet was first published in last year's ROMEC held in Budapest but there is some reference in the book
Militaria aus der Zivilstadt von Brigetio by Mr. Borhy as well.
If you are interested I got some pictures about the helmet made by one of my friends plus the scanned pages of the book relevant to this helmet.
Quote:If you are interested I got some pictures about the helmet made by one of my friends plus the scanned pages of the book relevant to this helmet.
Any chance of seeing them as well?
Hi József
I think you can safely assume we're interested! Any and all photos to which you have copyright/ have permission to publish them on the site will be gladly accepted.
Quote:For now, what types are these:
http://1501bc.com/page/museum_dorestad/11040097.jpg
Gallic E (wide neckguard)?
Quote:[url:1vdhhr1w]http://1501bc.com/page/museum_dorestad/11040098.jpg[/url]
Italic H?
Quote:I think this is definitely a second century helmet, probably from the italic series.
If it had eyebrows then that should make it a Gallic I'd have thought. Amazingly square helmet
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Quote:SOCL:
I think they wear attic helmets.
Sorry to keep shoving this topic from it's main course. Would this be the same helmet as the ones worn by the Praetorians, according to the relief above?
http://www.ad43.org/photogallery/2005Ev ... Julius.jpg
And if so, it's called "Attic"?
Hi Saul,
Yeah, that's probably the same type. And yeah, they are usually called 'Attic' or 'pseudo-Attic' (I always forget which).
József, please send it all to mem so I can upload it to the database for further editing by the helmet crew.
Thanks for those József & Robert. Just the sort of thing we are looking for. These are a new helmets on me. I don't remember seeing them in any of the publications but then as one of them only 'surfaced' in 2001, this is easily understandable.
It can take decades for these things to get into print - Prof. Bill Manning has recently published a detailed paper on the cavalry masked helmet from Newstead that was originally published in 1911 by Curle! The new information (which has been added to the database) is very interesting and greatly increases the understanding of this important British find.
The '0099' (not 0098) helmet certainly looks like an Italic H to me, Jim, although with a much simplified brow guard.
And yes please, Jim, those drawings will do fine until we can get some decent photos in there. Could you send them directly to Jasper, please, for action. For some strange reason (hey - it's a computer, stoopid!) I cannot upload photos into the data base - Jasper has to do it for me. Words, yes, pickies, no!
In fact, could anyone with pictures send them direct to Jasper? I should have put this into the original post for this topic, but forgot so to do.
Mike Thomas
(Caratacus)
Quote:The '0099' (not 0098) helmet certainly looks like an Italic H to me, Jim, although with a much simplified brow guard.
That's interesting, because the pointed browguard reminds me of the Auxiliary Infantry E, and I would have said it was one of them but with a much different addition of the crossbands over the bowl.
The 098 definitely reminds me of the Italic H because of the occipital brasswork which looks pretty much spot on for an one of those (although fairly difficult to tell from that angle), except it has very nice pieces of detail on the browband. The earguard shape is also very similar. The roundness of the front browband also seems similar to the H in its upwards curvature.
I really do love these photos because they could open up more variety within types, but I may be jumping the gun a bit. Perhaps they're both I-I-H's?
Quote:And yes please, Jim, those drawings will do fine until we can get some decent photos in there. Could you send them directly to Jasper, please, for action.
Will do.
Ah, yes Jim - I see where you are going now with 0098. I thought that it might have been a missprint for 0099, which definitely looks to be an Italic H to me what with those brass cross pieces and the inlaid brass bits on the crown. However, 0098 does also have some of the features of an Italic H. Pity that there is not more of it left!
I wonder how many more of those helmets are out there still in the woodwork?
Mike Thomas
(Caratacus)