Quote:And I thought the Italians were bad for their apathetic attitude toward their Roman past. The Socialists in Spain are far worse with their outright contempt for it. :x evil:
Spanish Socialist Mayor Destroys Roman Town To Build Parking Lot
Hope he burns in Hell :!:
Thanks God I dont live in my forefather countries, a kind of outrage like this would make me so violent, & lose my principios!....
How they dare to destroy our legacy like if were nothing? :x
PS: I hope this not happen in my Lucus Augusti, my forefathers Roman City. :evil:
What a loss for the world
Hopefully someday, someone will be allowed to get to the city from underground, dig down and tunnel over. That would be a great expense, but now hopefully some archeologist is working on a grant to do that.
In León, they've unearthed the Principia of the Legio VII base camp, and the city Hall (Conservative party - PP) wants to destroy it to make apparments!
You can find any kinda people in any kinda politic party I guess...
I feel ill over this revelation.
V/r
Mike
You will surely find this sort of people in every party.
But it is a fact that socialists don't care about their heritage and their roots...
Nico
This is as bad as the loss of that Roman city in Turkey. I can't say that America is doing much better in Philadelphia though. Just a few years ago we destoryed the last surviving remnants of the first executive mansion.
It's funny, I notice a pattern to these things. When its private land, the developer is usually required by law to report it, preserve it, and even pay for the excavations. However, when it is a government project, all those considerations get bull-dozed.
ugh.
Quote:You will surely find this sort of people in every party.
But it is a fact that socialists don't care about their heritage and their roots...
Nico
So do the Taliban, the Red Khmer, the Christian extremists that destroyed almost all pagan signs in Rome... also the ones who censored classical nudes putting a leaf... I think the list is endless and
indiscriminate.
Quote:It's funny, I notice a pattern to these things. When its private land, the developer is usually required by law to report it, preserve it, and even pay for the excavations. However, when it is a government project, all those considerations get bull-dozed.
Damn right! :wink:
By my reckoning, this is the most egregious act commited against a Roman archeological site since the Nazis (again, more Socialists) destroyed the galleys at Lake Nemi during WWII. It wasn't bombed by the Allies, rather, it was act of spite on the part of the retreating Germans. Both acts were senseless and completely unjustified. Nothing is sacrosanct to the perpetrators.
An entire town sacraficed for a small parking lot ! How petty can anyone get ?!
Quote:This is as bad as the loss of that Roman city in Turkey. I can't say that America is doing much better in Philadelphia though. Just a few years ago we destoryed the last surviving remnants of the first executive mansion.
Many historic Civil War Battlefields are under threat from overdevelopment.
This could sound as heresy, but I am in favour of, once recopilated all interesting information, and any valuable artistic item, go on with the parking or whatever is being built. To preserve some pile of stones just because they are ancient is no rational. The interesting thing in an archaeological site is the information you can gather, not the site itself.
Quote:By my reckoning, this is the most egregious act commited against a Roman archeological site since the Nazis (again, more Socialists) destroyed the galleys at Lake Nemi during WWII. It wasn't bombed by the Allies, rather, it was act of spite on the part of the retreating Germans. Both acts were senseless and completely unjustified. Nothing is sacrosanct to the perpetrators.
An entire town sacraficed for a small parking lot ! How petty can anyone get ?!
Just for a point of accuracy, the Nazis didn’t give the order to burn it, it was a spiteful act ordered by the single captain (Not sure of his rank) in charge of that area. And if I remember correctly, he did it because he was upset that he didn’t get his way before he had to pull out.
There are plenty of other examples of Nazis plundering and destroying though.
Your point is still clear though.
I'm in no way being a Devil's Advocate here, because I also am disgusted by antiquities being destroyed for modern development....But...In spite of this, where are we going to house people? Where are they going to park thier cars? It's getting awfully crowded, ya know. :evil:
(It's the same problem we have with Wildlife and Natural Spaces...Who came first, the Humans or the Animals...And how much room do the Animals need/get compared to humans and thier McMansions?...And then the Humans whine and complain about the [Deer] eating up thier $50,000 dollar landscaping because the Deer don't have anywhere to go, and it's Open Buffet Nite at the McMansion to the Deer! Oh but wait, they said they wanted to be "closer to nature"...Can't get closer than that!)
Perhaps in one way, it could be a benefit in the end...As long as that site is not totally destroyed and leveled for the precious parking lot...If it's built "on top" of the site, the lot could possibly preserve and hide the hidden artifacts for many years...If we let archaeologists in now, who's to say the insipidly arrogant and destructive Looters won't come and steal all of the artifacts, to be scattered around the world and eventually, illegally, end up in an institution or Museum?
It will be a nice day when an archaeological site is actually protected and guarded seriously, and is completely checked and recorded to the smallest details, So when some jerk politician wants his parking space for him and his buddies, then he'll have mountains of paperwork to sift through instead.
It'd be even more interesting that when a site is discovered, then Military Reenactors of that particular period are paid and bought in to guard that site, and given use of lethal force. Wouldn't that be cool? I might be willing to do that....So, a Roman site would benefit from us Legionaries with sword and pilum (and scorpio and ballista, et cetera); Medieveal/Renaissance get to have Halberdiers, Pikemen, Mounted Knights, Archers, Handgunners and Treubechet...English Civil to American Civil Wars have [Flintlocks], bayonets and artillery....WW1 and WW2 with machine guns, Artillery, and Spotlights, Oh, and at that point we could have 24 hr aerial patrols with surviving fighter aircraft, with working guns no less!
I'd like to see some schmuck Looter try to steal something then!
...And [we] could also stick around to cause the bulldozers some trouble.
Muahahahahahha
Quote:I'm in no way being a Devil's Advocate here, because I also am disgusted by antiquities being destroyed for modern development....But...In spite of this, where are we going to house people? Where are they going to park thier cars? It's getting awfully crowded, ya know. :evil:
(It's the same problem we have with Wildlife and Natural Spaces...Who came first, the Humans or the Animals...And how much room do the Animals need/get compared to humans and thier McMansions?...And then the Humans whine and complain about the [Deer] eating up thier $50,000 dollar landscaping because the Deer don't have anywhere to go, and it's Open Buffet Nite at the McMansion to the Deer! Oh but wait, they said they wanted to be "closer to nature"...Can't get closer than that!)
Perhaps in one way, it could be a benefit in the end...As long as that site is not totally destroyed and leveled for the precious parking lot...If it's built "on top" of the site, the lot could possibly preserve and hide the hidden artifacts for many years...If we let archaeologists in now, who's to say the insipidly arrogant and destructive Looters won't come and steal all of the artifacts, to be scattered around the world and eventually, illegally, end up in an institution or Museum?
It will be a nice day when an archaeological site is actually protected and guarded seriously, and is completely checked and recorded to the smallest details, So when some jerk politician wants his parking space for him and his buddies, then he'll have mountains of paperwork to sift through instead.
It'd be even more interesting that when a site is discovered, then Military Reenactors of that particular period are paid and bought in to guard that site, and given use of lethal force. Wouldn't that be cool? I might be willing to do that....So, a Roman site would benefit from us Legionaries with sword and pilum (and scorpio and ballista, et cetera); Medieveal/Renaissance get to have Halberdiers, Pikemen, Mounted Knights, Archers, Handgunners and Treubechet...English Civil to American Civil Wars have [Flintlocks], bayonets and artillery....WW1 and WW2 with machine guns, Artillery, and Spotlights, Oh, and at that point we could have 24 hr aerial patrols with surviving fighter aircraft, with working guns no less!
I'd like to see some schmuck Looter try to steal something then!
...And [we] could also stick around to cause the bulldozers some trouble.
Muahahahahahha
I didn't think about it until now, but how many people dig little tunnels to break into banks, or to smuggle things across boarders. Now that the world is aware of this, how much could somebody make by digging over, plundering and selling the artifact found there. People have done a lot harder for a lot less.
Hmm, I could use some authentic Roman artifacts myself.
On second thought, disregard what I just said.
Sometimes, when historical rests are so many in an old down town, it is impossible not to preserve'em if the city still wants to live or grow, otherwise some can stop growing and make a new city in a desert area... :wink:
I don't know exactly what really happened in that town in southern Spain (that made me sad as well. I love ancient things too!!), corruption, influences traffic, needs... whatever... But what I am sure is that it has nothing to do with the political ideology.
And ya know: extremes do touch each other... think cyclic :roll: