A Christian site that has produced an inter-disciplinary examination of the scourging and crucifixion of Jesus from a physiological/medical point of view. As it was a common punishment I thought it would be of interest:
[url:ppgt1dwj]http://www.frugalsites.net/jesus/[/url]
Very interesting... How do you manage to find such interesting web pages Tarby?
Quote:Very interesting... How do you manage to find such interesting web pages Tarby?
Thanks Ivan. If that's the case I'm not sure :? roll:
Impressive, very much so. A gruesome death.
I seem to remember Victor Davis Hanson saying that Alexander the Great introduced crucifixtion to the West, that it was imported from the Middle East.
Very interesting, but the cruxifiction instructions are a little gory...it also worries me that some perverted sort will decide to try it out on somebody!
I get upset enough watching some scenes in 'The Passion' (the nailing of the feet
)... that film is enough to turn anyone off Romans...!
Did you know they had to bring out a revised version for those who found the original too distressing?
I will send this article to my Aunt, she said she wants realism in her Passion Play ..... :twisted:
Jesus or Jacques de Molay ?
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/s2.cfm?id=338412002
regards
Arthes
Quote:The website authors think it was probably started in Parthia, followed by Alexander taking it to Egypt and Carthage, then the Romans learning it from them.
Odd, because the Parthian were not there yet, unless they mean the areas now in western Kazachstan. These were the lands of the Parthians before they invaded Persia and the areas heled by the Seleucids, who carried on ruling Alexander's lands.
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The origin of the cross comes from Babylon...
Soem people in the spanish news a yer ago shows a religious procession
were young guys allowed themself to be crucified.... I think the dummyes do it for impress others even though if they pretended to show to the people that they are devoted to God!....
But they do it in the wrong way, archeolegers found that the crucified persons were nailed betwing the joints of thei arms not in the palms were
the fingers are!...
The tradiccion in portrait Jesus nailed in the palms are wrong, but anyway its just art.
Crusifiction was introduced to the west when the Persians crucified Polyctates tyrant of Samos according to Herodotus.
The Persians might have picked it up from the Babylonians.
People speculate that the term "hanged" in cuneiform implies "hanged on the cross". Assyrians had a gruesome reputation too so who knows.
Carthageinias are said to be crusifing their unsuccessful generals from Classical times.
Also Mel Gibson made a mistake because nails were not put on palms but on wrists.
Kind regards
Stefanos
Quote:Crusifiction was introduced to the west when the Persians crucified Polyctates tyrant of Samos according to Herodotus.
Hmm...maybe Alexander merely popularized it in the West then :?:
Quote:Also Mel Gibson made a mistake because nails were not put on palms but on wrists.
I think that was intentional on Mel's part. The movie's peppered with a lot of symbolism.
Quote:Hmm...maybe Alexander merely popularized it in the West then :?:
I think the Successors and the Romans can be accused for importing a lot of eastern nasty habits in the West.
Quote:I think that was intentional on Mel's part. The movie's peppered with a lot of symbolism.
Hmm... possibly
Quote:I get upset enough watching some scenes in 'The Passion' (the nailing of the feet )... that film is enough to turn anyone off Romans...!
It's interesting that people who admire the Athenians for their poetry,
philosophy and democracy may not realise that they were crucifying
several centuries before Christ. I believe they even embellished the act with a little disembowelment. :oops: Not my cup of tea at all, but I hate to see Romans perpetually carrying the can for all the Worlds ills.
Ambrosius
Well it depends what do you mean by crusifying in Athens.
No nails like the biblical crusisfiction here.
The penalty was was called "tympanismos" and meant tieing the condemned person to a tree or rock and exposing him to the elements.
Since they started considering that a barbaric habit that is why the passed laws that the condemned person should drink "Konion" as did Sokrates.
And I agree that the Romans wave been accused incorrectly for a lot of things but it is a fact that they carried many bad habits of the Successors and the Carthagenians a bit more westword.
Also saddly a number of exteme penalties or even tortures was mostly an
"Eastern invention" originally. I mean calculated cruelty not "typical" human savagery that existed and exist unfortunalelly everywhere on this planet.
Kind regards
Stefanos
Quote:The penalty was was called "tympanismos" and meant tieing the condemned person to a tree or rock and exposing him to the elements.
It doesn't sound quite the same, execution by crucifixion essentially being death by slow asphyxiation. Similar in some ways, but technically a different cause of death, imho.