Hi , I was wondering if maybe somebody could tell me how Fatalis ( Len Morgan ) would attach his Paludamentum and keep it in place ? Iam planning on wearing my Sagum like this but need to know how to secure it .
Thanks Lads ,
Juluis .
Len Morgan attaches his paludamentum (not a sagum) using a large brooch at the shoulder. Look for some photos of Len in the Centurion thread.
I know this sounds like a dumb answer, but have you emailed Mr. Morgan or the Ermine Street Guard and asked there?
Of course, I must add that dumb answers are my specialty. :roll:
Ah a Paludamentum , Sorry my mistake . I take it that it the brooch comes through the material and under the Harness and then fastens , Is this right ?
Thanks ,
Julius .
I have tried to e-mail the ESG to ask questions especially when I was first starting out in this hobby.
They kindly never returned any of my e-mails. I guess when you are a celebrity or at least think you are in your own mind, I guess that they could not be bothered with a mere plebe.
I can be mistaken, but as far a I know Len Morgan is not from the ESG, but from the RMRS,
www.romanarmy.net (Where Ade is also a member).
And by the way. Len Morgans email is on here:
[url:1swkeixc]http://www.romanarmy.net/fabrica.htm[/url]
Thanks Lads for the help . All I need to know is how does it stay in place on the shoulder ? I will email Len later .
Julius .
Quote:Thanks Lads for the help . All I need to know is how does it stay in place on the shoulder ? I will email Len later .
Julius .
I would use a nice big fibula. You can attach the fibula to the phalerae harness perhaps?
Quote:I can be mistaken, but as far a I know Len Morgan is not from the ESG, but from the RMRS, www.romanarmy.net (Where Ade is also a member).
Spot on!
Thats what Ive done , just wanted to know how to keep it from falling off the shoulder , I have some idea's but wanted to know the right way and thought you lot would know .
Julius .
Sorry to have incorrectly assigned Mr. Morgan to the wrong unit. I should have researched more before making that statement. :? But he would know how he does it, one would suppose.
I do think when it comes Lens' cloak as with any other Centurians' cloak, the secret is as sacred as what lies beneath the Scotsmans Kilt.
Quote:I do think when it comes Lens' cloak as with any other Centurians' cloak, the secret is as sacred as what lies beneath the Scotsmans Kilt.
Quite right too Brian and it must be noted that in some original sources a brooch is not shown on the cloak at all, so how did they keep it in place?
Perhaps the answer is that the paludamentum like the toga could be held in place by it's own weight and the careful way it was draped around the body. It is always best to look at the original sources first.
Graham.
It is also possible, if I may, that just because we do not see something does not suggest an absence.
It is true that normally objects are not seen holding the paludamentum.
As far as being held by its own weight after being wrapped carefully, has merit. However, looking at Sertorius Festus, the top of the paludamentum is sitting over the shoulder. For the garment to stay in that position, Sertorius could not move his arm or shoulder at all because this would disrupt the balance of the position.
Is it not possible that there was an attachment point under the top part of the paludamentum. In other words, there was some type of fibula catching the material on the bottom side of the paludamentum and then this fibula was attached to a phalerae harness or the armor itself. Being that the fibula is underneath, then the material over it would hide it.
Also looking at the Sertorius stela, one can see that the paludmentum is bunched up at the shoulder into a rounded shape. This would suggest that the material was collected at one specific point. In this stela I would dare say that the cloth is collected at the top by the shoulder and pinned from underneath to the phalerae harness.