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Recently on RAT there was a discussion on the Thorsberger Sagum and a picture was posted. (Below)

Does anyone have a closeup of the border with fringes beginning with the section of the white field immediatly after the blue/white checker pattern of the main body. It appears as if the large white area has some blue in it but I cannot tell because of the distance.

Also does anyone have a picture of this sagum showing which ends have the border with the fringe and which ends only have a border and no fringe at all. I see in the picture that some parts have a fringe and some do not.

Any other reconstructions that show the details as mentioned in the previous post are welcome.


Thanks

Hi!

All the information you need is found in:

K. Schlabow, Textilfunde der Eisenzeit in Norddeutschland, Neumünster, 1976.

http://membres.lycos.fr/bronzeage/clothing/index.html

Hope this link gives you some information.
It is from The Danish National Museum in Kopenhagen

Fantastic pics, laudes! The weaves, the styles, and a cloak that's different colours not uniform.
http://membres.lycos.fr/bronzeage/cloth ... ress_1.jpg

Looks like the sagum has only two bands of white; one on the bottom and one down the right side?
http://membres.lycos.fr/bronzeage/cloth ... tume_1.jpg

The sagum has, like most, two very wide crad-woven rims, and two narrow ones.

Quote:The sagum has, like most, two very wide crad-woven rims, and two narrow ones.

Damn. That's hard to find in a blanket :?

there is no way round actually tablet-weaving the borders to the fabric...

For those of us that are "Fabrically challenged" where is a good starting point (internet site prefereably, or book) to learn about tablet weaving, card weaving and ancient fabric manufacturing techniques generally?

hm, not an easy question :?

if you take a book about tablet-weaving, you'll learn a lot about modern motifs and techniques - not how to create a sagum

if you read one about antique fabrics, you'll learn what the textile-finds looked like, not automatically how they where made :roll:

as a start I would recommend
Barber: "Prehistoric textiles" which gives a broad view on antiqhe textile techniques

and Hald 1980: M. Hald, Ancient Danish Textiles from Bogs and Burials, Copenhagen (1980) where you'll find descriptions of danish finds AND some techniques like tablet-weaving and Sprang

Quote:there is no way round actually tablet-weaving the borders to the fabric...

I'll most probably never ever do it myself, still and since I only have a vague notion of what this actually means (and I guess I'm not the only one here), could you please describe the process shortly? Many thanks in advance :-) )

I'll try, just let me get some fotos together so everybody can see, what I mean

I hope this might help get someone started :
http://www.stringpage.com/tw/tw.html
happy weaving

so, heres a picture I took while weaving a tablet-woven border to a piece of fabric...

you can see the tablets in the right upper corner - every tablet has 4 holes, one thread passes through every hole - all the tablets together form the warp for the border

there is some general information here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tablet_weaving


the loose fringe of the fabric, the former warp-threads, are used to weave the border directly onto the fabric - no additional weft thread is needes, the threads of the fringe form the weft
every pick one (or two) thread(s) is put through the shed of the tablet-warp and put back towards the fabric in the next shed, also the next weft-thread(s) is put through
after weaving a few centimerters, cut away the protruding threads that are secured by going through the warp twice

this way, you attach the border directly to the fabric without a fringe - if there should be a fringe, just leave out the second half and twine the loose fringe into cords after finishing the border


this is the way most of the original borders on saga (sagums) where made - a few are made seperately and sewn onto the border of the fabric, some are made while weaving the fabric on the warp weighted loom

Thanks and laudes for the description! I don't think I cuold bring myself to do this, simply seeing all the threads makes me dizzy hock: