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....or is magazine FOCUS trying to raise the BS-Level once more ??
http://www.focus.de/kultur/diverses/arch...14228.html
http://www.focus.de/regional/nordrhein-w...12708.html
They say that the archeologists are delighted having found a new 16ha legionary camp "on the Nether-Rhine between Xanten and Nijmegen" ,
protected not by 2 trenches but by up to 4 trenches.
No exact dating or at least the precise Location has been given herein, however.
We should watch for press-releases by the Rheinisches Amt für Bodendenkmalpflege as per today or the following days.
One of the "buzzwords" would be : e.g. "Steve Bödecker".
I'll be keeping an eye on that.

Greez

Simplex

More links:
http://www.welt.de/geschichte/article149...deckt.html
It seems to be datable into the 1st century AD.
O.K. it's say both "Near Bedburg-Hau" and "Steincheshof" here, too -- the latter term semms to be not too rare as a name for a location along the Nether-Rhine AFAIR.
Or is it Till-Steincheshof ??
http://www1.wdr.de/themen/infokompakt/na...15360.html
Now if you happen to have too much leisure -time, dig this:
https://news.google.com/news/story?cf=al...&scoring=d
Bon Chance.
I'll see that I'll be getting some more substantial informations.

BTW:
My best bet now would be: It's been the base camp for quelling Batavian resistance after 70 AD.
So, found s.th. more substantial here:
http://www.lokalkompass.de/bedburg-hau/kultur/sensation-in-bedburg-hau-mehrere-grosse-roemische-militaerlager-entdeckt-d603149.html
(Quite
good for a "local" news-Service IMHO !)
Let's put it that way  --- FOCUS was right --- and : Dr. Baoquan Song* was at it again.
(Chief "aerial archeologist" of the Ruhr-Uni, Bochum -- has a remarkable "hit list"!)

"No one, not even the local "specialists" would have thought that between Xanten/Vetera and Nijmegen/Noviomagus a camp of that size would have existed. Just a few 100m westward from the auxialiary camps , just a stone's throw away , in the area of Sommerlandstrasse/Bienenstrasse, a Roman camp of ca. 16 ha has been found in the process of routinely screening/scrutinizing Aerial pfotographs. Actually it's TWO camps, maybe even more of them, as you can clearly tell from the photographs.

Presently the excavations are confinde to the southern part of one of these camps, a gate area.
Here in this sector clearly at least two trenches show up. A fortified line of two rows of palisades , it's intervalls filled with earth must have existed. This proves that a heavily fortified camp, existing for more than a short timespan, should have been located here.
Near the gate, two smelting furnaces have been identified.
This camp alone extended over 16ha and should have housed a Legion (5000 to 9000 strong).

No exact dating has been made, as the finds still have to be evaluated in full.
Primary findings point towards before 200 AD, possibly the Bataviaon Revolt of 70 AD comes into Play here.
(To cite a certain Ray Charles here : "What'd I say ?! Wink )
Geophysical prospection has spotted numerous internal structures of the camps, further excavations will yield a more prcise picture.
 
Modern-day Sammerlandstrasse runs right through the moddle of one of that camps, raising suspicions that the modern street
"pictures" -- at least partially so, the course of the Via Principalis .......
To prove this, more excavations are needed to spot the gates assigned to it.

The stture of this find is marked by the fact, that it has been included into the list of objects included in the UNESCO
World Heritage Site  "Nether German Limes".

So far, so good.

Simplex

Dr. Baoquan Song, publications:
http://www.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/archaeolog...nsong.html
Siggi

this is for sure puzzling but I have another theory, is something that happens in the area of Porolissum too only that is about 20 km in Barbaricum, I suppose this is a "training" zone where more camps were made. They found 3 near Porolissum.

The garrison will march for a day build a camp sleep there for a nite come back. And then some years later do the same thing.
(11-27-2015, 06:51 AM)Gunthamund Hasding Wrote: [ -> ]Siggi

this is for sure puzzling but I have another theory, is something that happens in the area of Porolissum too only that is about 20 km in Barbaricum, I suppose this is a "training" zone where more camps were made. They found 3 near Porolissum.

The garrison will march for a day build a camp sleep there for a nite come back. And then some years later do the same thing.
Hi Gelu,
..... forgive me, but I think I'll have to disagree.
Let me explain:
Although there have been (and still will be) singular finds of such camps along the Netherrhine and the adjacent areas, I think a lot of these grounds for building exercising-camps for the "exercitus germaniae inferioris" seem to have been spotted already -- elsewhere.
Their sizes are "more than a scale up" from this area at Steincheshof.
1) South of Xanten/Vetera (> garrison of Vetera)
https://www.google.de/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&...ZQSGk5QAKA
....page 12. (At least what was known in the 90s !)
2)Bonn(Bonna)-Röttgen(Kottenforst) (>garrison of Bonna Castra)
http://vici.org/vici/14210/
http://vici.org/image.php?id=840
https://www.aid-magazin.de/fileadmin/use...ettern.pdf
p4 top left.
and last but not least
3)Alpen (> garrison of CCAA  - Cologne)
http://www.alpen.de/www/esdablage.nsf/HT...%20199.pdf
http://www.alpen.de/www%5Cesdablage.nsf/...lege_1.pdf
....kinda overview here:
http://www.deutsche-limeskommission.de/f...online.pdf
pp10ff

Hope this helps.
....so: still upholding my guess, there. Wink

Greez & Thanks

Simplex
thanks for your reply
will have to take a look at those links you posted when I will have more time
(12-01-2015, 08:39 AM)Gunthamund Hasding Wrote: [ -> ]thanks for your reply
will have to take a look at those links you posted when I will have more time

A "quick'n dirty one" before bedtime:
http://www.lokalkompass.de/bedburg-hau/k...04803.html
Interesting pics/maps.
Author Günter van Meegen once again does a very good job here.
As I'm too tired in short:
The points in favour of this place being "Arenacium/Harenatium"(rather than Rindern) add up.
The "big roundup" will be by February 2016 on occasion of the congress "Archäologie im Rheinland“/Archeology in the Rhineland"
Things stay interesting -- to say the least.

So far , so good
(12-03-2015, 12:37 AM)Simplex Wrote: [ -> ][quote='Gunthamund Hasding' pid='332916' dateline='1448959184']
thanks for your reply
will have to take a look at those links you posted when I will have more time

A "quick'n dirty one" before bedtime:
http://www.lokalkompass.de/bedburg-hau/k...04803.html
Interesting pics/maps.
Author Günter van Meegen once again does a very good job here.
As I'm too tired in short:
The points in favour of this place being "Arenacium/Harenatium"(rather than Rindern) add up.
The "big roundup" will be by February 2016 on occasion of the congress "Archäologie im Rheinland“/Archeology in the Rhineland"
Things stay interesting -- to say the least.

So far , so good

Slight update with pics:
http://www1.wdr.de/nachrichten/rheinland/Roemerlager-Bedburg-Hau-100.html

In short:
1)Dolabra found
2)Coinage too corroded for exact Dating.
3)Jug Points towards 1st Cent. AD
4)Camp presumed identical to "Arenacum"

Greez

Simplex
Further update:
Guided tour around the recent exavations scheduled for Wednesday, June 15th by the LVR-authorities. ( 14.00 to 17.00 MEZ)
Contact:
Außenstelle Xanten des LVR-Amtes für Bodendenkmalpflege im Rheinland, 02801 77629-0, [email protected]
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