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Hello to all,
Did ever use Horned helmet by Roman soliders ?
if possible some explain about it.
and many thanks for my help in every field of Roman information



with best regards-sajid
Hi Sajid! The only example of a horned roman helmet I can think of is an early republican Montefortino helmet which had flat bronze horns. Might have been etruscan or samnite influence so I would say "no".
Quote: Did ever use Horned helmet by Roman soliders ?
No. Just no.
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SAJID post=363985 Wrote:Did ever use Horned helmet by Roman soliders ?
No. Just no.

Robert, what's the explaination for the Cornuti helmets on the Arch of Constantine?
Quote:Robert, what's the explaination for the Cornuti helmets on the Arch of Constantine?
I've read a lot but nothing satisfactory. I'm extremely cautious where it comes to late Roman regiment names and literal interpretations. The depictions that we might have are inconclusive at best. No positive identification exists of the soldiers appearing on the Arch of Constantine as 'Cornuti', apart from the 'chicken/egg' explanation 'they have horned helmets so they must be the Cornuti, therefore the Cornuti, as identified from the Arch, must have had horned helmets.
In Italian if you call someone a "Cornuto" or a group of people "Cornuti" you're calling them devilish, crafty, mischievous, sly. I'd imagine that was a similar meaning in Latin, not literally "Horned".
Quote:In Italian if you call someone a "Cornuto" or a group of people "Cornuti" you're calling them devilish, crafty, mischievous, sly. I'd imagine that was a similar meaning in Latin, not literally "Horned".

It really might be the case because there is an analogy in another regiment of Petulantes which means something like "sassyboys" if Im not confusing it with other unit.
As to the cornuti- we don't have anything solid besides a name, and questionable relief. Even then we can't be sure if those were "real" horns, feathers or something else. That said, there were "horned" helmets in use among the italic tribes. Attached is a Mesapian helmet with sea monster shaped horns. Not roman, and probably not what were tining, but it is impressive none the less.
In the book 'The Late Roman Army' by Dixon & Southern there are several depictions of Late Roman infantry with 'horned' helmets. It could of course be that these 'horn's were in fact feather plumes on the front of the helmet, or they could be actual horns, we just do not know.
Quote:In the book 'The Late Roman Army' by Dixon & Southern there are several depictions of Late Roman infantry with 'horned' helmets. It could of course be that these 'horn's were in fact feather plumes on the front of the helmet, or they could be actual horns, we just do not know.

I think we're still talking about the same helmets as already mentioned below?
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ValentinianVictrix post=364018 Wrote:In the book 'The Late Roman Army' by Dixon & Southern there are several depictions of Late Roman infantry with 'horned' helmets. It could of course be that these 'horn's were in fact feather plumes on the front of the helmet, or they could be actual horns, we just do not know.

I think we're still talking about the same helmets as already mentioned below?

The one's I was mentioning that appear in the book I noted were of Legionarii who were depicted with what appears horns on their helmets. From memory I think these figures were incribed on a glass vessel.
Hi

Robert wrote "No just no".

Some people have short memories.

I have had to produce two illustrations for Dr D'Amato of Romans with horned helmets, although technically you can say one was a Samnite and the horns were in metal. However as they were for D'Amato perhaps your answer is still "no just no"!!!! :whistle:

Graham.
We had a similar discussion here and I would like to take the opportunity to point your attention to the possible horns from Vindonissa again (scroll down for pictures).
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Robert Vermaat post=364020 Wrote:
ValentinianVictrix post=364018 Wrote:In the book 'The Late Roman Army' by Dixon & Southern there are several depictions of Late Roman infantry with 'horned' helmets. It could of course be that these 'horn's were in fact feather plumes on the front of the helmet, or they could be actual horns, we just do not know.

I think we're still talking about the same helmets as already mentioned below?

The one's I was mentioning that appear in the book I noted were of Legionarii who were depicted with what appears horns on their helmets. From memory I think these figures were incribed on a glass vessel.
I think your memory deceives you. I have looked though Dixon & Southern and see no horned helmets there. There is a glass vessel with four soldiers inscribed on it but they are all bare-headed.
I'll have to check which book my defective memory is directing me to then Michael, my poor old brain was telling me one thing when quite possibly it was another thing entirely!
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