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I've often read that The Arch of Orange features a Capricorn design on one of the shields which is attributed to Legio II Augusta. I've seen lots of interpretative illustrations, but not the original sculpture. Can anyone direct me to a photograph? Many thanks,<br>
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-Andy <p></p><i></i>
on which part of the arch should this be? I´ve found only some big scale pictures, not detailed ones... <p>-------------------------------------------------------<br>
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Well, it's nothing to get excited about. The reliefs in question are the battle scenes around the attic frieze:<br>
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arts-sciences.cua.edu/gl/...sAttic.jpg<br>
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one of the possible capricorns being on the bottom picture, near the left-hand end, on the shield of the legionary striking towards his right with a raised sword (obviously hasn't read all the right books ;-). There are a couple of others (generally on shields partially obscured by rearing horses or dying barbarians), but the best way to see all of these is in the line drawings in the standard publication of the arch:<br>
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Amy, R., Picard, G.-Ch., Hatt, J.-J., Duval, P.-M., Picard, Ch., and Piganiol, A. 1962: 'L'arc d'Orange', <em>Gallia</em>, Suppl. <strong>15</strong><br>
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Mike Bishop <p></p><i></i>
How about this one from Carvoran/<em>Magnis</em>:<br>
<img src="http://www.roman-britain.org/studytour/carvoran2.gif" style="border:0;"/><br>
Valete,<br>
Valerius/Robert <p></p><i></i>
Thanks all! I think I'll try to track down that publication.<br>
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-Andy <p></p><i></i>
Robert,<br>
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To what time period is that Carvoran tile dated? Where did you find that image?<br>
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Thanks. <p></p><i></i>
Hi Andy,<br>
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I found it at the bottom of [url=http://www.roman-britain.org/places/magnis_carvetiorum.htm" target="top]THIS PAGE[/url]. It´s a facsimile plaque of Legio II Augusta<br>
recording work done at Benwell/Condercum now displayed at the Roman Army Museum, Carvoran.<br>
The inscription is listed as RIB 1341; oddly this one is missed by Guy de la Bédoyère on his [url=http://www.romanbritain.freeserve.co.uk/Legions.htm#IIAvg" target="top]website[/url]. The dating would be Hadrianic-Antonine (117-80), for several more of II Augusta´s inscriptions were found in this are around that time:<br>
c. 122-6: Hadrian's Wall: RIB 1634, 1637-8 and 1666,<br>
139-43: RIB 2191 (Balmuildy), RIB 2186 from near Cadder, RIB 2180 from near Auchendavy,<br>
139: RIB 1147, Corbridge,<br>
140: RIB 1148 (1), Corbridge, and<br>
155-9: RIB 1322 (14), Newcastle.<br>
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Valete,<br>
Valerius/Robert <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p200.ezboard.com/bromanarmytalk.showUserPublicProfile?gid=vortigernstudies>Vortigern Studies</A> at: 7/27/04 7:03 pm<br></i>
these are some rendered images of distance slabs for the Second Legion Augusta from the Antonine Wall<br>
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<img src="http://www.ttforumfriends.com/images/romans%20in%20scotland/2139done.jpg" style="border:0;"/><br>
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RIB 2139<br>
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<img src="http://www.ttforumfriends.com/images/romans%20in%20scotland/2186B.jpg" style="border:0;"/><br>
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RIB 2186<br>
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<img src="http://www.ttforumfriends.com/images/romans%20in%20scotland/2193.jpg" style="border:0;"/><br>
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RIB 2193<br>
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<img src="http://www.ttforumfriends.com/images/romans%20in%20scotland/2203.jpg" style="border:0;"/><br>
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RIB- 2203<br>
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<img src="http://www.ttforumfriends.com/images/romans%20in%20scotland/2204.jpg" style="border:0;"/><br>
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RIB- 2204<br>
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Anonymous

Have also been looking into this for a while, (leg 2 myself!) you might want to take a look at the shield cover from Roomburg (NL) which exhibits facing capricorns, though its a citizen auxiliary shield, it supports the notion of capricorns on shield boards. I have also heard of various applied copper alloy capricorns found in germany, possibly for shield boards?<br>
I dont think the pegasus however appears in leg 2 iconography until the hadrianic period. <p></p><i></i>