Alexander\'s tomb : Last known location ?

[hoplite14gr]

Cemeteries in ancient Greek were called "SIMA".
The Keramikos cemetery in Athens was called "DIMOSIO SIMA" = public sign. I suspect too much para-phrasing here
Kind regards

[Arthes]

Cemeteries in ancient Greek were called "SIMA".
The Keramikos cemetery in Athens was called "DIMOSIO SIMA" = public sign. I suspect too much para-phrasing here
Kind regards

That's true, what I have done is find some information that is strangely appropriate and led me to wonder if there was a connection.
Soma was used by the Persians.
Daksha was the Father of the wives of Soma, the Moon God, who favoured the daughter Rohini, so Daksha cursed him to die a lingering death. Soma's other wives asked him to be spared, so he only suffered periodically ....which accounts for the waxing and waning of the moon.
Interestingly enough, Dakshas daughter Sati or Dakshayani was reincarnated as Parvati 'daughter or princess of the mountains' - who married Shiva - known as the 'Destroyer' who brings about transformation from destruction.
The plant Soma, was thought to grow in the Paropamisus..
The drink and story of Soma, in Alexander's case, seem to be strangely connected, with the Soma in Alexandria being his supposed place of burial.
Sma or Sema, the Egyptian symbol or sign equates to the place of balance between light and dark or the Underworld and Upperworld. It also equates to the lungs and windpipe or the genitals.
The drink Soma was a form of Ambrosia that bought immortality....Sima, as you point out is 'sign'.
You can see where my thoughts are going here....Alexander was also emblamed in honey, which is classed as 'Ambrosia' the drink of the Greek Gods.
Honey was the tears of Ra, or Amen Ra 'hidden mouth' ...the Sun God and father of Alexander in his Eqyptian form...and King of Upper and Lower Eqypt.
The Pythia was known as the 'Bee of Apollo'
There are other strange connections such as both Amen Ra and Soma being connected with bulls, as was Shiva - the destroyer...hmmh .
Now...if I were looking for Alexander....I would be looking at Ptolemy and Serapis who I believe was based on Alexander....with a beard....!
regards
Arthes

[Nectanebo]

It's supposed to be in Alexandria, beneath the Mosque of "Nabi Danial", although I vaguely remember some sort of attempt to locate it a few years ago which found no evidence of it.

[Robert Vermaat]

eBay?

[Arthes]

eBay?

:lol: :lol: :lol: I wouldn't be at all surprised......

A nicely embalmed male, circa 323 bce.
Provenance of burial unknown, but probably an important member of Macedonian ruling class.
In very good condition with an interesting honeyed patina.
Offers..........

[Arthes]

Khairete,
I have just been reading online about that strange theory by Andrew Chugg, that St Mark's body in Venice, could possibly be that of Alexander...
What is even stranger is St Marks symbol is the winged lion, as you know Alex had connections with lions (he was probably a Leo in modern astrology) and the winged lion was also the symbol of Babylon. They could also be found in Persopolis and India.
There is also the Nebi Daniel Mosque in Alexandria, which is supposedly built over Alexander's tomb and Daniel and the lions den and Daniel was who first mentioned the winged lion being the symbol of Babylon.
I am supposing these are mentioned in the book...which I would like to read.
I don't think it is an impossibility and if the remains have not been damaged since, there was a skull and partial skeleton which could have been used for facial reconstruction and carbon and dna testing...
Wouldn't it be just incredible if this turns out to be Alexander...although by the sound of it, the body had been dumped in a damp cellar and half rotted.... :evil:
regards
Arthes

[tlclark]

Phillip's sceleton was identified by the eye socket damage and the the unatural "scar" on his shoulder blades where the dagger got him.

Back in 2000 I attended a lecture at Bryn Mawr College sponsored by the Bryn Mawr Classical review. The speaker was an administrator at the Vergina tombs and he stated, with great conviction, that the tomb of Philip II is not Philip and that the forensic evidence is incorrect and that the tomb is likely another macedonian prince and not philip.

I was very convinced at the time, but for the life of me I can't remember the name of the guy.

Travis

[Anonymous]

Chrysoprase the troll says he never touched it...

[Arthes]

Greetings,
the problem as with all interrment excavations without names (and even then it may not be who it says) is proving exactly who is in there..
As Phillip II was interred at Vergina-Aigai and the Larnax was particularly suitable for royalty, it is fairly obvious that people took it to be Phillip's.
If he isn't there....where is he?
There is always excitement when anything is found connected to Alexander....
Look at Nechtanbo's sarcophagus which they thought was Alexanders...and the Greek lady, Liana Souvlatzi, who claimed to have found Alexander's grave in Maraqi, near Siwa, complete with inscriptions [url:1qxnb2f5]http://i-cias.com/egypt/siwa12.htm[/url] that supposedly indicated he was buried there....nothing more heard about that..I was left wondering if she took him back to Greece with her..... :wink:
It is interesting what you say Travis, about the Administrator at Vergina not being convinced that the tomb is Phillip's. I wonder what made him so sure... :?
regards
Arthes

[tlclark]

It is interesting what you say Travis, about the Administrator at Vergina not being convinced that the tomb is Phillip's. I wonder what made him so sure... :?

As I recall, there were a number of problems with the forensic evidence. The eye damage for one may have happened in death, which means it can't be philip. Also, the shorter greave is often used to prove it was philip, but he pointed out it was the wrong leg.

Also, the quality and style of the gravegoods was questionable. The gold is too thin for a royal tomb, and the style is wrong.

I can't verify any of this independently however, not being an expert on any of those issues.

Travis

[hoplite14gr]

Conserning the winged lions and griffins that you mentioned Crisitna, the heraldic devices go back from the Bronze Age.
Me and Giorgos Iliopoulos have managed to verify only the wingless griffin with king Minos. The others appear in so many places that we cannot manage to to pinpoint them. Most royal families traced ancestry from that time.
As for the doubter Travis I respect their reservations but they just want to make a name be denial in my opininon. Philip was important, they are not!
Remeber modren politics also are quite dodgu as this palce is concerned.
Kind regards

[Arthes]

As I recall, there were a number of problems with the forensic evideece. The eye damage for one may have happened in death, which means it can't be philip. Also, the shorter greave is often used to prove it was philip, but he pointed out it was the wrong leg.

I had wondered about the odd greaves, but it occured to me that they were odd for a reason, maybe one of each from two seperate pairs to signify his first pair and his last pair and the other two are somewhere else.
I wonder if anyone has done a facial reconstruction or DNA of the skeleton that was on show, I think it is female.
regards
Arthes

[D B Campbell]

I have just been reading online about that strange theory by Andrew Chugg, that St Mark's body in Venice, could possibly be that of Alexander...

Andrew Chugg's The Lost Tomb of Alexander the Great now at a knock-down price from Oxbow.

[Gladius Hispaniensis]

Wasn't it Plutarch that related the story of Octavian visiting Alexander's tomb in Alexandria and on being asked if he wanted to see Ptolemy's tomb remarked "I asked to see kings, not corpses"?
If the anecdote is true it would indicate that Alexander's body was in Egypt at least in the latter part of the 1st Century BC.
As for the story of Arabs stealing his body, I have never heard of it and I simply cannot find a motivation for it

[Giannis K. Hoplite]

Ancient sources agree that the body was in Egypt from the time of Ptolemy till early Roman time as some Roman Emperors saw him.I think it was Nero who took his thorax and left his golden thorax to the tomb.He also touched the body and did some damage to the mummy's nose.Till that time Alexander was kept in a glass coffin so they could see him.
Now there is a Greek researcher called Papazois http://tdpapazois.gr/english_research.pdf who claims that the Royal tomb II in Vergina was reused to host Alexander's body.He has some good points,but other evidense like the dead's scars etc are also convinsing.take a look at his site. http://tdpapazois.gr/english/alexander.htm

I've also read some articles of him re-examining the woman's identity and he was also convinsing...It's a fact that there are so many theories about Alexander's tomb that it's hard to believe anyone,and Andronikos did not claim to have found Philip's body without strong evidense,but even he left some ponts that he was unable to explain.

Khairete
Giannis