02-23-2012, 10:13 PM
Quote:First of all, you are arguing with a strawman of my argument. My argument is that most hoplites were not really trained (not that training was terribly common), they were a militia of well armed and armored men. See this:
Thucydides_2.39 Wrote:'If then we prefer to meet danger with a light heart but without laborious training, and with a courage which is gained by habit and not enforced by law, are we not greatly the gainers? Since we do not anticipate the pain, although, when the hour comes, we can be as brave as those who never allow themselves to rest; and thus too our city is equally admirable in peace and in war
Exactly what I thought... you are taking an extract of Thucydides completely out of context and from it you produce the conclusion that the Athenians (whose military ability Thucydides often praises in his work) were an untrained militia... This passage has nothing to do with Athenian or Greek military training. It is a comparison between the totally militaristic life in Sparta and the freer, less laborious, "lazy" life in Athens which nevertheless does not make men sloth on the battlefield, according to Th.