03-22-2015, 01:01 AM
Renatus wrote:
This is merely a variation on the 'cavalry dash' idea. Nathan has repeatedly made the point that this would be entirely alien to a cautious general like Suetonius.
And I have always agreed with Nathan as I said... all I indicated was that you did as well even though some others don’t.......
Renatus wrote:
A likely scenario is that, having destroyed Colchester and before moving off for the next stage of the campaign, the rebels became aware that Cerialis and his forces were approaching. The fighting men then turned to confront him and, having defeated him, returned to their families at Colchester and set off to pillage and forage their way to London.
Renatus wrote;
Indeed, it may have been the presence of wives and families that could have enabled what I have called the fifth column in Colchester to persuade the colonists that their fears were groundless and that those approaching were not a predatory warband but some sort of peaceful tribal movement......
From these statements I presume that you are proposing a complete tribal movement.
This was a huge risk to their families as they weren’t migrating anywhere only to destroy a number of cities with no guarantee of finding adequate food for the huge horde, where they were going after destroying the cities or what forces were going to be thrown at them.
As theirs was an agrarian and horse based society it seems unlikely that either the Trinovantes or the Iceni would leave their lands as they would need to be tended and the crops harvested.
Also one of the main reasons that the Trinovantes rebelled was because the Roman settlers stole their land in the first place.
Renatus wrote:
The rebels would have had to maintain their impetus in order to attract other tribes to their cause and to retain them. If they returned to their homelands without achieving that, they would be inviting massive retaliation by the Romans and inevitable defeat.
Surely they knew before they started, that to attack Colchester would invite a massive retaliation by the Roman army anyway. To leave themselves exposed on the move would be to invite disaster unless they had a better plan.
The tribal movement idea and it does not fit in with any type of previous aggression by the Bythons in decades of fighting.
Rather the Brythons would move their families out of danger unless they were sure of victory.
They could not be confident on the numbers that Seutonius Paulinus would bring with him and indeed if SP had brought the whole army of 35,000 to bear down on them they would have been destroyed.
Better surely to defend their own lands in the first instance and harass the moving Roman armies that would come to pillage and burn the villages as they had done during Julius Caesar's invasions of BC54.
This is merely a variation on the 'cavalry dash' idea. Nathan has repeatedly made the point that this would be entirely alien to a cautious general like Suetonius.
And I have always agreed with Nathan as I said... all I indicated was that you did as well even though some others don’t.......
Renatus wrote:
A likely scenario is that, having destroyed Colchester and before moving off for the next stage of the campaign, the rebels became aware that Cerialis and his forces were approaching. The fighting men then turned to confront him and, having defeated him, returned to their families at Colchester and set off to pillage and forage their way to London.
Renatus wrote;
Indeed, it may have been the presence of wives and families that could have enabled what I have called the fifth column in Colchester to persuade the colonists that their fears were groundless and that those approaching were not a predatory warband but some sort of peaceful tribal movement......
From these statements I presume that you are proposing a complete tribal movement.
This was a huge risk to their families as they weren’t migrating anywhere only to destroy a number of cities with no guarantee of finding adequate food for the huge horde, where they were going after destroying the cities or what forces were going to be thrown at them.
As theirs was an agrarian and horse based society it seems unlikely that either the Trinovantes or the Iceni would leave their lands as they would need to be tended and the crops harvested.
Also one of the main reasons that the Trinovantes rebelled was because the Roman settlers stole their land in the first place.
Renatus wrote:
The rebels would have had to maintain their impetus in order to attract other tribes to their cause and to retain them. If they returned to their homelands without achieving that, they would be inviting massive retaliation by the Romans and inevitable defeat.
Surely they knew before they started, that to attack Colchester would invite a massive retaliation by the Roman army anyway. To leave themselves exposed on the move would be to invite disaster unless they had a better plan.
The tribal movement idea and it does not fit in with any type of previous aggression by the Bythons in decades of fighting.
Rather the Brythons would move their families out of danger unless they were sure of victory.
They could not be confident on the numbers that Seutonius Paulinus would bring with him and indeed if SP had brought the whole army of 35,000 to bear down on them they would have been destroyed.
Better surely to defend their own lands in the first instance and harass the moving Roman armies that would come to pillage and burn the villages as they had done during Julius Caesar's invasions of BC54.
Deryk
