04-02-2016, 10:54 PM
Hello all!
First off I love Roman, Greek, and Ancient history in general and am going back to college to major in it! I also LOVE DNA testing and have been participating in it a long time. I hope I don't bore you with it... but since this is a history forum... and DNA study is basically your personal history, I figure you guys and girls might be into it!
Second off my name is Charles Burd Weaver IV - a family name of course and I'm a proud 5th generation blue collar man and grew up in the furniture moving business that my family owned. The surname is occupational and comes from somewhere in Northern England or Scotland - per Y-DNA results! More on that later (it has a lot to do with how I found this forum also). I was in born in Pennsylvania in the States!
Long story kind of short - My Mom's side of the family is very Highland/Western Scottish and Gaelic Irish from Upper State New York and Canada (confirmed via autosomal DNA testing - distant cousins etc) including the famous rebel family of the O'Duibhirs (O'Dwyers who participated in two rebellions in the 1600s and several of the Chieftain's extended family served in the Irish Brigade for France as officers - particularly Berwick's Regiment - my Grandfather Philip O'Dwyer was a direct descendant of the Chiefs of the O'Dwyers confirmed via DNA) and Maguires among some others and Clans MacDonald, MacAulay, MacKenzie, MacPherson, and many more! To many to list! Ahh real quick my X-chromosome group is T2b2b, which is currently most common in Ireland and then Scotland.
Dad's side is mostly Scottish and Northern Irish with a bit of Northern/Baltic German mixed with Russian - Volga Germans that's his Mom's mother's father's side! Confusing I know! The rest is a mixture of German from PA and a lot of Irish/Scots. This is going on my extended cousin's list from DNA testing. My middle name comes from the Scottish family of Col. James Burd of Orminston who settled in Pennsylvania and is called by some "the Defender of the Pennsylvania Frontier!" Also some Fergusons (also a Scottish Clan) who served in the Revolutionary War here in the States.
So to the main point and why I found this place (great place it is!). I have done the most testing on my Y-chromosome in honor of my father who died in an accident on the work site. It spurred me on to search for the origin of the long line of men in my family! We have always identified strongly with the male side in my family - coming from a long line of laborers (and soldiers - Weavers have served in the War of 1812 and Civil War/Indian Wars and also WWII that I know of!), but of course we acknowledge we would not be here if not for he ladies :-)! So far I've taken many tests including the Big Y test at FTDNA and a test from National Genographic etc. I've been able to match my Y-DNA with several historical figures, or at least families. First off I'm a member of the R1b-U106 DF98 group called the King's Cluster because it contains about 300 predicted (about 100 tested) families who share a Bronze Age relationship with the House of Wettin from Thuringia... also known as the House of Windsor or Saxe-Gotha. Some modern day descendants of that male line have been tested positive for the DF98 Y-DNA marker. This marker/subgroup under the Y-DNA marker U106 clusters in modern day testers around the Upper Rhine (though the French side is not well tested - there are surely some there). Also three descendants of the House of Bourbon have been tested positive for the Y-DNA marker U106 and Z381 under that. They are predicted to possibly be DF98 positive, but they haven't tested for it yet. If they ever do we (the group who does the research) may be able to connect the tribal origins of both Wettin and Bourbon if they are further related on the Y-line.
Next is a group called S1911 under DF98. I share this with the descendant families of a Norman knight's family from Cheshire in NW England. An Odard de Dutton is documented as coming over from Normandy after the conquest and was a vassal of the Earl of Chester. The Dutton family owned Dutton in Cheshire and also inherited the estate of Warburton in Cheshire later. That is how we know we are on the right track with the y-line, since both a Dutton and Warburton family match on several Y-DNA markers, but split around the time this new estate would have been acquired. These families got very lucky since historical records rarely match up per the Y-line like this.
Now under the S1911 group there are several sub groups which I share with a smaller number of families mostly from the British Isles. This includes the group S4004 and FGC14814. This is where it gets interesting! With the recent DNA testing performed on the Headless Romans of Driffield Terrace - we were able to determine that I matched skeleton #3 at 6 Driffield Terrace (the tallest guy out of them all at about an estimated 183 cm - the heavyweight skeleton per the Back from the Dead program - guy with the butterfly fracture etc) on Y-DNA markers first found in my Y-chromosome! He matches me about as well as my modern day matches! They were old to begin with... but matching an 1800 year old guy from Eboracum. I share the FGC14818 with about three other families and we all share that with 6drif-3... so naturally my interest in all things Romano-British skyrocketed when I heard that some of the lead theories where that some of these guys may have been either Gladiators or Soldiers. Considering that my Y-DNA group DF98 clusters very well (and clustering apparently is important even today in regard to ancient remains - my S4004 group clustered in Northern England/Scotland and surprise! We find an ancient match in Northern England!) along the Upper Rhine - most likely an auxiliary soldier if we didn't arrive before the Romans in Britain (which is still a possibility). We need testing from ancient remains along the Rhine... that would be ideal... then we could narrow down the tribe or tribes.
I hope I didn't write too much... but I figured you history people might take an interest in and also see the possibilities of combining all types of historical disciplines with testing of both modern and ancient DNA - especially Y-DNA because it never recombines... only mutates.
Cheers!!
Charlie
First off I love Roman, Greek, and Ancient history in general and am going back to college to major in it! I also LOVE DNA testing and have been participating in it a long time. I hope I don't bore you with it... but since this is a history forum... and DNA study is basically your personal history, I figure you guys and girls might be into it!
Second off my name is Charles Burd Weaver IV - a family name of course and I'm a proud 5th generation blue collar man and grew up in the furniture moving business that my family owned. The surname is occupational and comes from somewhere in Northern England or Scotland - per Y-DNA results! More on that later (it has a lot to do with how I found this forum also). I was in born in Pennsylvania in the States!
Long story kind of short - My Mom's side of the family is very Highland/Western Scottish and Gaelic Irish from Upper State New York and Canada (confirmed via autosomal DNA testing - distant cousins etc) including the famous rebel family of the O'Duibhirs (O'Dwyers who participated in two rebellions in the 1600s and several of the Chieftain's extended family served in the Irish Brigade for France as officers - particularly Berwick's Regiment - my Grandfather Philip O'Dwyer was a direct descendant of the Chiefs of the O'Dwyers confirmed via DNA) and Maguires among some others and Clans MacDonald, MacAulay, MacKenzie, MacPherson, and many more! To many to list! Ahh real quick my X-chromosome group is T2b2b, which is currently most common in Ireland and then Scotland.
Dad's side is mostly Scottish and Northern Irish with a bit of Northern/Baltic German mixed with Russian - Volga Germans that's his Mom's mother's father's side! Confusing I know! The rest is a mixture of German from PA and a lot of Irish/Scots. This is going on my extended cousin's list from DNA testing. My middle name comes from the Scottish family of Col. James Burd of Orminston who settled in Pennsylvania and is called by some "the Defender of the Pennsylvania Frontier!" Also some Fergusons (also a Scottish Clan) who served in the Revolutionary War here in the States.
So to the main point and why I found this place (great place it is!). I have done the most testing on my Y-chromosome in honor of my father who died in an accident on the work site. It spurred me on to search for the origin of the long line of men in my family! We have always identified strongly with the male side in my family - coming from a long line of laborers (and soldiers - Weavers have served in the War of 1812 and Civil War/Indian Wars and also WWII that I know of!), but of course we acknowledge we would not be here if not for he ladies :-)! So far I've taken many tests including the Big Y test at FTDNA and a test from National Genographic etc. I've been able to match my Y-DNA with several historical figures, or at least families. First off I'm a member of the R1b-U106 DF98 group called the King's Cluster because it contains about 300 predicted (about 100 tested) families who share a Bronze Age relationship with the House of Wettin from Thuringia... also known as the House of Windsor or Saxe-Gotha. Some modern day descendants of that male line have been tested positive for the DF98 Y-DNA marker. This marker/subgroup under the Y-DNA marker U106 clusters in modern day testers around the Upper Rhine (though the French side is not well tested - there are surely some there). Also three descendants of the House of Bourbon have been tested positive for the Y-DNA marker U106 and Z381 under that. They are predicted to possibly be DF98 positive, but they haven't tested for it yet. If they ever do we (the group who does the research) may be able to connect the tribal origins of both Wettin and Bourbon if they are further related on the Y-line.
Next is a group called S1911 under DF98. I share this with the descendant families of a Norman knight's family from Cheshire in NW England. An Odard de Dutton is documented as coming over from Normandy after the conquest and was a vassal of the Earl of Chester. The Dutton family owned Dutton in Cheshire and also inherited the estate of Warburton in Cheshire later. That is how we know we are on the right track with the y-line, since both a Dutton and Warburton family match on several Y-DNA markers, but split around the time this new estate would have been acquired. These families got very lucky since historical records rarely match up per the Y-line like this.
Now under the S1911 group there are several sub groups which I share with a smaller number of families mostly from the British Isles. This includes the group S4004 and FGC14814. This is where it gets interesting! With the recent DNA testing performed on the Headless Romans of Driffield Terrace - we were able to determine that I matched skeleton #3 at 6 Driffield Terrace (the tallest guy out of them all at about an estimated 183 cm - the heavyweight skeleton per the Back from the Dead program - guy with the butterfly fracture etc) on Y-DNA markers first found in my Y-chromosome! He matches me about as well as my modern day matches! They were old to begin with... but matching an 1800 year old guy from Eboracum. I share the FGC14818 with about three other families and we all share that with 6drif-3... so naturally my interest in all things Romano-British skyrocketed when I heard that some of the lead theories where that some of these guys may have been either Gladiators or Soldiers. Considering that my Y-DNA group DF98 clusters very well (and clustering apparently is important even today in regard to ancient remains - my S4004 group clustered in Northern England/Scotland and surprise! We find an ancient match in Northern England!) along the Upper Rhine - most likely an auxiliary soldier if we didn't arrive before the Romans in Britain (which is still a possibility). We need testing from ancient remains along the Rhine... that would be ideal... then we could narrow down the tribe or tribes.
I hope I didn't write too much... but I figured you history people might take an interest in and also see the possibilities of combining all types of historical disciplines with testing of both modern and ancient DNA - especially Y-DNA because it never recombines... only mutates.
Cheers!!
Charlie
Charles Weaver