Leather Cuirass

[Giannis K. Hoplite]

Now,well,when the Greeks wanted to show thick overgarments,they did it clearly.Also,you see that the overgarments were usually painted or paterned,like some Archaic thick chitons and cloaks shown in balck figure vases.The first one is a scene from a tragedy and you'd have a point saying it shouldn't be compared with anything else,howver I have examined better images of the vase and concluded that these are not intended to be linothoraxes.
The second one could also be a special clothe for the musician.None of those arguements though take the value that in both vases we have thick overgarments that are undoubtedly shown.In the musician,we even see the chiton beneath the thicker fabric.


Almost forgot it!That first pic I posted.I'd insist it shows chitons.First of all,when depicting very thin linen,the artists painted the body visible under the fabric.Some times the entire body with genitals is shown,and this is not unrealistic with white very fine linen.The same efect we have in the arm of the first hoplite.
Second,the hemlines in the neck and sleeves are identical with so many other chitons,and also pinned in the same way like other chitons.
Thirdly,I proved with more than three examples that the double line that lookes like a hem,in the waist,cannot be used as an arguement,as we see it clearly in pleated chitons.
Thirdly,the fact that it is not too bulcky in the waist is not enough to convince me it is not a chiton.After all,it's somewhat curved and could be interpreted either way.
Finally,I believe the Skythian is not supposed to be wearing the same garment.It is true that it behaves similarly with the other two,near the waist.However,it looks different in the neck,the hem being "single" and not double,and having a different angle.Also the sleeve is much different than the rest.And additionally we know that Skythians often wore a jack crossed in the chest,over their narrow underwear.
And after all this,shall I say that neither I am convinced,if convinced means 100% sure 8)
Khaire
Giannis