11-14-2016, 08:10 PM
And what does this have to do with shield type?
nothing with the shield, everything with the fact wealthy men were expected to fight harder for their country than those who have nothing to lose...
Source for Caesar's antesignani carrying parma? Because they weren't the same as velites.
No, im not, im just stating the way how Velites fought.. and you practically ignored the whole part about Velites being engaged in single combat before battle against enemy champions...
unable to drive off the javelineers owing to the distance and the hail of javelins, and reduced to the utmost distress and perplexity, some of them, in their impotent rage, rushed wildly on the enemy and sacrificed their lives, while others, retreating step by step on the ranks of their comrades, threw them into disorder by their display of faint-heartedness. Thus was the spirit of the Gaesatae broken down by the javelineers;
perfect example what i've been saying all the time - even with fanatical Gaesatae, only some rushed at enemy in rage, while others retreated back and put own lines in disorder... and this time they routed facing ordinary velites.. mostly teenagers hurling light javelins..
I have mentioned Telamon because of Celtic shield. Parma was mentioned (by Polybius) during Macedonic campaigns as being superior to what others used
"The shield is strongly made and sufficiently large to afford protection, being circular and measuring three feet in diameter." - Hist 6, 22
3feet in diameter, thats same as Aspis... Macedonic Pelta was smaller with typically 60-70cm diameter..
Iberian infantry who carried the caetrati did not fight in the close ranks where they couldn't individually try dodging missiles. Line infantry cannot be allowed to duck, leap to the side, or do anything else when under missile attack, they can only either stand and take it or advance to close the distance and take it, either way they need a shield large enough to protect them head to toe, or else they need the heavy armor necessary to protect them. Iberian infantry that fought Romans in line used a thureos shield, sometimes curved identically to the Romans. (see Fernando Quesada Sanz)
I have Fernando's book, read his work at Academia.edu.. even he mentions certain tribes using ligher Caetras in melee.. Iberians were masters of ambushes and "partisan" war. Yet, every time they fought Romans in open battles, using closed formations, they were defeated..:
nothing with the shield, everything with the fact wealthy men were expected to fight harder for their country than those who have nothing to lose...
Source for Caesar's antesignani carrying parma? Because they weren't the same as velites.
No, im not, im just stating the way how Velites fought.. and you practically ignored the whole part about Velites being engaged in single combat before battle against enemy champions...
unable to drive off the javelineers owing to the distance and the hail of javelins, and reduced to the utmost distress and perplexity, some of them, in their impotent rage, rushed wildly on the enemy and sacrificed their lives, while others, retreating step by step on the ranks of their comrades, threw them into disorder by their display of faint-heartedness. Thus was the spirit of the Gaesatae broken down by the javelineers;
perfect example what i've been saying all the time - even with fanatical Gaesatae, only some rushed at enemy in rage, while others retreated back and put own lines in disorder... and this time they routed facing ordinary velites.. mostly teenagers hurling light javelins..
I have mentioned Telamon because of Celtic shield. Parma was mentioned (by Polybius) during Macedonic campaigns as being superior to what others used
"The shield is strongly made and sufficiently large to afford protection, being circular and measuring three feet in diameter." - Hist 6, 22
3feet in diameter, thats same as Aspis... Macedonic Pelta was smaller with typically 60-70cm diameter..
Iberian infantry who carried the caetrati did not fight in the close ranks where they couldn't individually try dodging missiles. Line infantry cannot be allowed to duck, leap to the side, or do anything else when under missile attack, they can only either stand and take it or advance to close the distance and take it, either way they need a shield large enough to protect them head to toe, or else they need the heavy armor necessary to protect them. Iberian infantry that fought Romans in line used a thureos shield, sometimes curved identically to the Romans. (see Fernando Quesada Sanz)
I have Fernando's book, read his work at Academia.edu.. even he mentions certain tribes using ligher Caetras in melee.. Iberians were masters of ambushes and "partisan" war. Yet, every time they fought Romans in open battles, using closed formations, they were defeated..:
Jaroslav Jakubov
