01-12-2015, 11:32 AM
I agree with Renatus.
I don't understand the point of view of Márk György Kis. I don't see why the example of Geneva Missorium would contradict the existence of this particular plate shoulders protections, because they would not be visible on this representational source. They do not appear on many more illustrations.
I don't assert that every Thorax of the late Roman Empire possess protections of shoulders as these but that they are present on certain precise sources.
On the other hand, it is significant that these representations popularize in the late roman time.
I believe to have a good book on the trajane column (G. Deyperot, "Les légions romaines en campagne: la colonne tajane", Edition Errance. 2008). I don't see where you noticed similar plate shoulders protections to those that i evoke in the sources that i quoted.
Seriously, you consider that the color of the mosaics tessel about which we speak could be a representation of leather color? With all that we know about the golden silver covering of late roman helmets, you think conceivable that the same yellow used on the helmet and the armor can be an illustration of leather material? I imagine that it is here a little bit puffing rhetoric.
The same goes for the example of Strategikon, the literary sources describe very rarely armaments and armors and never in detail. What it can well prove? The Ripuari Law tells us what is the price of good armor, she don't says nothing about this armor. It also proves nothing too.
Thank you Graham for the panel which you post here. Very interesting, but it's a pity that we do not know the origin of the monument. Not to mention stylization of the source, the panel could have been restored as well in the XVIIth - XVIIIth century.
I don't understand the point of view of Márk György Kis. I don't see why the example of Geneva Missorium would contradict the existence of this particular plate shoulders protections, because they would not be visible on this representational source. They do not appear on many more illustrations.
I don't assert that every Thorax of the late Roman Empire possess protections of shoulders as these but that they are present on certain precise sources.
On the other hand, it is significant that these representations popularize in the late roman time.
I believe to have a good book on the trajane column (G. Deyperot, "Les légions romaines en campagne: la colonne tajane", Edition Errance. 2008). I don't see where you noticed similar plate shoulders protections to those that i evoke in the sources that i quoted.
Seriously, you consider that the color of the mosaics tessel about which we speak could be a representation of leather color? With all that we know about the golden silver covering of late roman helmets, you think conceivable that the same yellow used on the helmet and the armor can be an illustration of leather material? I imagine that it is here a little bit puffing rhetoric.
The same goes for the example of Strategikon, the literary sources describe very rarely armaments and armors and never in detail. What it can well prove? The Ripuari Law tells us what is the price of good armor, she don't says nothing about this armor. It also proves nothing too.
Thank you Graham for the panel which you post here. Very interesting, but it's a pity that we do not know the origin of the monument. Not to mention stylization of the source, the panel could have been restored as well in the XVIIth - XVIIIth century.
