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Late Roman Shoulder Pauldrons
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Quote:It is stylized, but there are several clear aspects: for one the Armor appears to have had a Varangian Bra over it

So you are actually trying to argue for the pauldrons with another obscure piece of equipment, which has not been solved as well?

Quote:the shoulder pauldron is the same material as the cuirass,

Then it has either metal lower pteryges as well or the figure has a leather helmet, if you are trying to argue with colors...

Quote:and the pauldron is worn over the Ptyruges and Chainmail.

I don't know how can you tell from literally 40 pieces of pebbles not even reaching to the wrist, that it is mail. Also, wearing mail just for the protection of 3/4 of your arm is quite stupid.


Damianus:

Apart from all the archaizing and stylized depictions, show me pictorial reference, where the figures are detailed AND you can see no pattern on the 'pauldrons'.

These are missing for example from the Valentinian Dish (depicting bodyguards),

show a distinct mail pattern on the David and Goliath silver dishes,

the Low Ham mosaics show a spherical shoulder part which is clearly a part of the equipment worn, not a separate piece,

even Trajan's Column shows these 'pauldrons', for Jupiter's sake! Now try to convince us, that these existed in the 2nd century! We would laugh at someone using this pauldron in Trajan's time, wouldn't we? But it is there on the Column...

And another one: if this piece was established by the 5-6th centuries, why is it missing from the Strategikons's equipment list?
Mark - Legio Leonum Valentiniani
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Late Roman Shoulder Pauldrons - by Graham Sumner - 01-06-2015, 08:31 AM
Late Roman Shoulder Pauldrons - by Tim - 01-06-2015, 04:35 PM
Late Roman Shoulder Pauldrons - by Damianus - 01-09-2015, 03:46 PM
Late Roman Shoulder Pauldrons - by Flavivs Aetivs - 01-10-2015, 12:22 AM
Late Roman Shoulder Pauldrons - by Urselius - 01-10-2015, 10:11 AM
Late Roman Shoulder Pauldrons - by Damianus - 01-10-2015, 12:14 PM
Late Roman Shoulder Pauldrons - by Flavivs Aetivs - 01-10-2015, 01:19 PM
Late Roman Shoulder Pauldrons - by Damianus - 01-10-2015, 01:24 PM
Late Roman Shoulder Pauldrons - by Márk György Kis - 01-11-2015, 02:38 AM
Late Roman Shoulder Pauldrons - by Renatus - 01-11-2015, 01:00 PM
Late Roman Shoulder Pauldrons - by Flavivs Aetivs - 01-11-2015, 03:17 PM
Late Roman Shoulder Pauldrons - by Alanus - 01-11-2015, 05:31 PM
Late Roman Shoulder Pauldrons - by Renatus - 01-11-2015, 10:04 PM
Late Roman Shoulder Pauldrons - by Dan Howard - 01-11-2015, 11:24 PM
Late Roman Shoulder Pauldrons - by Graham Sumner - 01-12-2015, 03:08 AM
Late Roman Shoulder Pauldrons - by Damianus - 01-12-2015, 11:32 AM
Late Roman Shoulder Pauldrons - by Renatus - 01-12-2015, 05:47 PM
Late Roman Shoulder Pauldrons - by Flavivs Aetivs - 01-12-2015, 07:51 PM
Late Roman Shoulder Pauldrons - by Thomas V. - 01-12-2015, 10:45 PM
Late Roman Shoulder Pauldrons - by Damianus - 01-15-2015, 11:29 AM
RE: Late Roman Shoulder Pauldrons - by Virilis - 11-16-2015, 11:08 AM
RE: Late Roman Shoulder Pauldrons - by Virilis - 11-16-2015, 12:52 PM
RE: Late Roman Shoulder Pauldrons - by Dan Howard - 11-16-2015, 10:02 PM
RE: Late Roman Shoulder Pauldrons - by Virilis - 11-17-2015, 12:09 PM
RE: Late Roman Shoulder Pauldrons - by jho - 11-17-2015, 01:58 PM
RE: Late Roman Shoulder Pauldrons - by Virilis - 11-17-2015, 02:11 PM
RE: Late Roman Shoulder Pauldrons - by Renatus - 11-17-2015, 02:22 PM
RE: Late Roman Shoulder Pauldrons - by jho - 11-17-2015, 02:27 PM
RE: Late Roman Shoulder Pauldrons - by Dan Howard - 11-17-2015, 09:10 PM

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