Melun Pugio help please?

by **Martin Moser** » Fri 27 Jan 2006, 5:16

Hi all,

does anybody know of pictures or sources for the pugio found near Melun in the late 60s (I think it was)?

I have

-M. Petit. Notes sur un poignard romain du musee de Melun. 1973/74.
-JÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¼rgen Obmann. Studien zu rÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¶mischen Dolchscheiden des 1. Jahrhunderts n. Chr. 1990.

Only drawings in there, unfortunately no photographs, and I would like to see the real thing ...

Thanks in advance for any help,

Martin

by **Martin Moser** » Fri 27 Jan 2006, 6:30

ooops, just realized that for some no-brain reason I posted this here instead of in the Roman Military History & Archaeology forum :-P

- maybe a kind moderator could move this?

Thanks,

Martin

by **aitor iriarte** » Fri 27 Jan 2006, 6:38

Martin, your wish is our command!

Aitor

by **Martin Moser** » Fri 27 Jan 2006, 8:06

Thanks!

... I hope you noticed my wish for that picture, too, Aitor ;-)

cheers,

Martin

by **Crispvs** » Fri 27 Jan 2006, 23:45

Martin,

Do you mean the pugio found at Mehrum. If so I too have drawings of it but no photograph. Mike Bishop may be able to help.

Crispvs

by **Martin Moser** » Sat 28 Jan 2006, 4:14

Crispvs wrote:Do you mean the pugio found at Mehrum.

No, I don't think thats the one (where is Mehrum?), I mean a

"poignard de fer, decouvert dans la Seine, a Melun, lors <<des fouilles du Grand Pont>> en 1869"

It's a pugio in its sheath, most of the handle is missing.

cheers,

Martin

by **Martin Moser** » Tue 31 Jan 2006, 7:05

Looks like nobody has any picture(s) of that one ... too bad ... :-(

cheers,

Martin

by **maarten** » Wed 02 Aug 2006, 15:07

I do not have any pictures, but the book of Obmann gives a good drawing. I have reconstruted the melun iron plate and am currently trying to fill the engravings with silver.

I will try to send you a picture soon,

maarten

by **Marcus Mummius** » Wed 02 Aug 2006, 15:23

Hi Maarten,

Could you send the picture it to me too? My email adress is FatherAngus AT hotmail.com

By the way, are you by any chance Maarten Dolmans from Artemisia?

Anyway welcome to RAT!!

Vale,

by **Martin Moser** » Thu 03 Aug 2006, 0:05

maarten wrote:I do not have any pictures, but the book of Obmann gives a good drawing. I have reconstruted the melun iron plate and am currently trying to fill the engravings with silver.
I will try to send you a picture soon,

Hi Maarten,

thanks for letting me know. I have the Obmann book as well as the original publication (see above), but would like to get a glimpse of the real thing. I tried to contact the museum, but never received an answer unfortunately. Looking forward to see your reconstruction!

Martin

by **Vortigern Studies** » Thu 03 Aug 2006, 0:14

Marcus Mummius wrote:By the way, are you by any chance Maarten Dolmans from Artemisia?

You could be right!!

Maarten, make yourself known!

by **maarten** » Thu 03 Aug 2006, 13:39

I've tried several times to get a message and picture of the Melun plate on to the forum, but am constantly (after half a minute) thrown out (pagina verlopen). Can anyone give me advice how to stop being thrown out?

Maarten

by **Jasper Oorthuys** » Fri 04 Aug 2006, 2:05

Check your email Maarten.

by **Vortigern Studies** » Fri 04 Aug 2006, 7:37

Posted for Maarten Dolmans:

by **Peroni** » Fri 04 Aug 2006, 8:36

Wow! stunning work Maarten. :shock:

Can I ask, is it chiselled or acid-etched?

by **Marcus Mummius** » Fri 04 Aug 2006, 13:45

Looks great!

I think it's chiseled...

by **maarten** » Sun 06 Aug 2006, 14:20

Thanks Robert for putting the picture on the forum.

As you can see I am new on the forum, but not new in the reenactment world. I am indeed Maarten from Artemisia and Legio X Gemina (Gemina Project) from the Netherlands. I've made a lot of reconstructions for our group, but the Melun daggerplate is my first try of a daggerplate with silverinlay. In the past year I've done some research on daggerplates as a preparation for an article on daggerplates from the Netherlands. So if anyone has any pictures of daggerplates (Netherlands and abroad (as studymaterial) please let me know.

As for the Melunplate, it's partly etched and partly chiselt (two times). Chisseling took about 20 hours. The silverinlay still gives me some trouble (it's an experiment). I'll let you know how it ends and send more pictures soon.

Maarten

by **Martin Moser** » Tue 08 Aug 2006, 7:46

Hi Maarten,

thanks for showing your work, looks great indeed! I guess you'll beat me to it, I only just started with doing a few centimeters of the border for learning about the techniques involved before starting for real (I have been planning to do this sheath for more than 5 years now :oops:

).

cheers,

Martin

PS: I sent you a PM about another topic

by **Crispvs** » Tue 08 Aug 2006, 10:58

Well, you will both finish sooner than me. I am still practicing on scrap steel to get the engraving technique right before trying to start on my own inlaid type 'B' sheath. I don't think I will be ready for the Melun plate for a long time so I will probably be doing one of the simpler plates from Chester.

Maarten,

I can pass on one or two sets of drawings of dagger sheaths from Britain if it would help you. Photographs would be more difficult as I have only a limited range and most have been sent to me by other RAT members or are freely available on the Exploratio site. If you would like any drawings from Britain let me know.

Crispvs

by **maarten** » Thu 17 Aug 2006, 13:30

Dear Crispus ( and others,)

Thanks for the offer to send me drawings or pictures. I will send you my email.

As fo my experiment, I will try to put a picture of the scabbard on the forum in its current state (better, but still not satisfactory)

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