04-14-2008, 10:37 PM
Quote:But it still is more logical that they fought in a separate phalanx,with their own bonds among the hoplites,as we're told they were taken by region. The Spartans even chosent by lot,they were trained to fight as a whole,and i'm sure,adding some strangers among the ranks was not of any help.
Yet that is precisely what the source states. It is abundantly clear that those chose to serve – in rotation – on the island are chosen by lot from the lochoi. There is absolutely no other interpretation other than that this is a random process from each lochos. That we wind up with 120 odd homoioi and 172 perioikoi indicates that perioikoi were indeed brigaded in the mora.
As well, Thucydides is precise in stating that the "the Spartans themselves and the nearest of the Periokoi [to Sparta] at once set out for Pylos".
Quote:Marcvs75 (who by the way has to right his real name) has made a good point. Where are the rest of Perioikoi in Mantineia? Could it be that only 600 Perioikoi fought in Mantineia?
Thucydides remarks, on a couple of occasions, on the size of the Lakedaemonian force. He expressly states that it is larger (or appeared so) than the coalition force. The Coalition army will have numbered (in rounded figures) some 10-11,000 unless contingents had deserted. This allows for the 1,000 Argives, 4-5,000 “otherâ€
Paralus|Michael Park
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Ἐπὶ τοὺς πατέρας, ὦ κακαὶ κεφαλαί, τοὺς μετὰ Φιλίππου καὶ Ἀλεξάνδρου τὰ ὅλα κατειργασμένους
Wicked men, you are sinning against your fathers, who conquered the whole world under Philip and Alexander!
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