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Re: 5th C. Western Roman Kits Persons Timeline Etc. (24 May 09) - FAVENTIANVS - 10-30-2006
Yes.
Re: 5th C. Western Roman Kits Persons Timeline Etc. (24 May 09) - Robert Vermaat - 10-31-2006
Quote: Galla Placidia the top figure and the children represented in the low part.I'm not sure. The lower figure wears the decorated robes and jewellery. I'd say it is Placidia below right.
Re: 5th C. Western Roman Kits Persons Timeline Etc. (24 May 09) - aitor iriarte - 10-31-2006
Are you sure that the portrayed persons even belong to the Imperial family? :?
What is written in Greek around them? Could somebody post a better image, please? 8)
Aitor
Re: 5th C. Western Roman Kits Persons Timeline Etc. (24 May 09) - Dan Diffendale - 10-31-2006
Here's a bigger pic.
Quote:...an incredibly ornate jeweled cross, put together out of various pieces in the seventh century. One of those pieces, just over half-way down the lower arm of the cross, is a medallion from the Roman Empire...( http://campusmawrtius.blogspot.com/2006 ... lia-4.html )
...Jas Elsner briefly discusses the object in the introduction to Imperial Rome and Christian Triumph: The Art of the Roman Empire AD 100-450 (Oxford, 1998). In his caption, he writes (p. 22), ‘Gold-glass medallion, perhaps from Alexandria, dated anywhere between the early third and the mid-fifth centuries AD. This family group of a mother, in a richly embroidered robe and jewels, with her son and daughter, bears the inscription BOUNNERI KERAMI. This may be an artist’s signature or the name of the family represented.’
It's in the Museo della Citta', Brescia.
Re: 5th C. Western Roman Kits Persons Timeline Etc. (24 May 09) - Robert Vermaat - 10-31-2006
Here's a big one, inspired by that medallion:
http://www.bleriot.net/db/bl3web.jpg
From a nice article in French: http://www.bleriot.net/db/
Or this one:
![[Image: parp581.jpg]](http://www.taivaansusi.net/historia/antiikki/parp581.jpg)
Re: 5th C. Western Roman Kits Persons Timeline Etc. (24 May 09) - aitor iriarte - 10-31-2006
Many thanks to Dan and Robert!
Not Gala Placidia then, I'm afraid... :wink:
Aitor
coptic patterns - Graham Sumner - 10-31-2006
Robert wrote:
Quote:it's not easy over here either to find good patterns!
That's because you need to get off the net and spend more time in a library or in a Museum Robert :wink: . Not far from you in Antwerp is one of the best private collections of Coptic textiles in the world. Sadly I have not seen it myself but have it on good authority that there is some pretty amazing things in there. It is possible to book appointments for a private viewing.
Failing that look out for exhibitions and their catalogues like the recent one from Manchester. I advised people especially the late Romans amongst RAT members to get there, as there were a number of complete examples of clothes including cloaks, tunics and hats. Not sure whether anyone else from RAT went which is a bit of a sad reflection I think.
Graham.
Re: coptic patterns - Robert Vermaat - 11-01-2006
Quote:That's because you need to get off the net and spend more time in a library or in a Museum Robert :wink:
Nah, I meant in shops. We were talking about trims ..
Well, now that you mention it, I DO need a good image of a clavus...
Re: 5th C. Western Roman Kits Persons Timeline Etc. (24 May 09) - aitor iriarte - 11-01-2006
Which kind of clavus, Robert? Purple and white, polychrome? Geommetrycal, figural? An early one, I guess but, let's say from IV to VIth, as 'experts' don't agree about exact dates. Anyway, I tend to think that IVth century patches were mainly bichrome and not figural, but I'm not an expert, after all... :wink:
You should be patient, in any case, as I would have to scan the pics from books!
Graham,
The Manchester exhibition was a little too far away from here to assist. In any case, you mention a catalogue. Could you give us more details on it, please? 8)
Aitor
Manchester - Graham Sumner - 11-01-2006
Hello Aitor
The Exhibition was at the Whitworth Art Gallery University of Manchester. If you look at their website you will find contact details etc...
The Exhibition was called Clothing Culture Dress in Egypt in the First Millennium AD by Frances Pritchard. Catalogues should still be available around £25 and well worth getting.
Graham.
Re: 5th C. Western Roman Kits Persons Timeline Etc. (24 May 09) - aitor iriarte - 11-01-2006
Many thanks, Graham, I'll have a look at the site! 8)
Aitor
Re: 5th C. Western Roman Kits Persons Timeline Etc. (24 May 09) - aitor iriarte - 11-01-2006
Graham,
The exhibition looked amazing and extremely up-to-date
hock: Therefore, the catalogue is a must-have-it for me!
Unfortunately, a quick search on Oxbow an Amazon has yielded no results...
Should I try to order it directly from the Withworth? :?
Thanks,
Aitor
Whitworth - Graham Sumner - 11-01-2006
Hello Aitor
Yes, the exhibition was impressive with some amazing items on display. I think it would be best to order direct from the Whitworth. If you have any problems let me know.
I myself ordered another past exhibition catalogue from the Musee Dobree in France called 'Au Fil Du Nil' which is another must have for you late Romans.
Graham.
Re: 5th C. Western Roman Kits Persons Timeline Etc. (24 May 09) - aitor iriarte - 11-01-2006
Thanks again Graham!
I'll e-mail them to ask about the book.
Another book, uh, what's the best one from the pair in your opinion? :?
Aitor
books - Graham Sumner - 11-01-2006
Hi Aitor
Without checking, the Manchester one seems to have more complete garments and a greater range, hats etc...
The Dobree Museum book has lots of details of the Coptic designs themselves.
I have both but no reconstructed late Helmet or sword or great outfit like yours. Sadly like you money has to be budgeted.
Graham.