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Peltast with Bronze Pelta? - Johnny Shumate - 07-11-2006
In the Osprey Elite Series book,"The Ancient Greeks", on plate J, a peltast has a small round bronze pelta. What proof do we have of this..? It seems it would be somewhat heavy compared to the standard pelta. Again, what proof do we have...
Thanks,
Johnny
Re: Peltast with Bronze Pelta? - lupus - 07-11-2006
To me, I think MANY of the "Osprey" books, having SERIOUS INACCURATE illustrations.
Or, if not innaccurate, TOO "SIMPLEFIED"!
I don't think so; there wasn't a bronze "Pelte"...
But, Stefanos is the MOST right person to ask about. More experienced than me...
Re: Peltast with Bronze Pelta? - hoplite14gr - 07-11-2006
Small shields appear in pottery and grave stelle but there is not clear what they were made off.
The Macedonians called the small phalangite shield pelta. So some people interprete this as a propability for a similar southern Greek shield.
For the poorer Greeks that formed the bulk of the light troops bronze would be most probably out of their means.
Kind regards
Re: Peltast with Bronze Pelta? - lupus - 07-11-2006
Quote:Small shields appear in pottery and grave stelle but there is not clear what they were made off.
The Macedonians called the small phalangite shield pelta. So some people interprete this as a propability for a similar southern Greek shield.
For the poorer Greeks that formed the bulk of the light troops bronze would be most probably out of their means.
Kind regards
I agree, dear Stefane.
Is it true, that ALL Hellenes "Psiloi" were fully unprotected, worn only a thin/simple tunic, NO armor or shields (even "Pelte") and they just had a band of javelins or they had slingers or simple rocks?
And after the... "nice contacts" with the Thracians, Hellenes "adopted" that tiny type of shield - "Pelte", they used it and so... "Peltastai" were "born"?
Regards...
Re: Peltast with Bronze Pelta? - Felix - 07-11-2006
So, is it reasonable to assume that the crescent-shaped pelta was not made of bronze? I had always thought of that shield as being wicker. By the by, have any remains of the crescentic pelta ever been found?
Re: Peltast with Bronze Pelta? - hoplite14gr - 07-11-2006
No known remains yet.
Both wicker and laether layers are plausible.
Psiloi would protect themselves with skins or wicker shields.
There is pottery in British meuseum shoein club armed psiloi with pelta.
Kind regards
re - Johnny Shumate - 07-11-2006
Stefanos,
I would love to see those pics, got any..?
I think you know by now my favorite Greek warriors are the Psiloi and Peltast..!
Thanks,
Johnny
Re: Peltast with Bronze Pelta? - hoplite14gr - 07-12-2006
This comes ffrom Athrns Meuseum:
Hoplite and club/pelta armed psilos
http://www.laits.utexas.edu/dase/index. ... alues=some
Enjoy
re - Johnny Shumate - 07-12-2006
Thanks for the link..!
Anyway to make the pics bigger..? Maybe they won't allow you...
Johnny
Re: Peltast with Bronze Pelta? - hoplite14gr - 07-12-2006
Plese give me some time when I come back home, I have a bigger version but I cannot access it from here.
Kind regards
Re: Peltast with Bronze Pelta? - lupus - 07-12-2006
Quote:And after the... "nice contacts" with the Thracians, Hellenes "adopted" that tiny type of shield - "Pelte", they used it and so... "Peltastai" were "born"?
Dear Stefane, you didn't tell me about that wonder of mine... Can you enlighten this, please? I mean, WHEN the "Peltast" were born and from which event?
Regards...