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Eagle gladius hilt - Luca - 11-17-2004
Anyone knows about any archeological evidence of the famous eagle pommel of this statue?<br>
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www.romanhideout.com/imag...rarchi.asp <p></p><i></i>
Re: Eagle gladius hilt - Lucius Aurelius Metellus - 11-18-2004
Hi Luca,<br>
My guess is that Aitor may be able to help you with some information on this spatha, as he has made a very beautiful replica of it. <p>Lucius Aurelius Metellus, miles gregarius, Secunda Brittanica</p><i></i>
Re: Eagle gladius hilt - aitor iriarte - 11-18-2004
I'm afraid that there is no archaeological evidence for such kind of pommel, except for a third century sword that was sold at E-bay a year ago or so. The sword and chape looked authentic and so the grip and maybe the guard but it was somewhat doubtful if the copper-alloy eagle-head pommel belonged originally to it. Apart from that, just a pair of short bronze swords which were probably intended to portrait parazonia on thoracate statues of emperors.<br>
On the pictorial record, parazonia daggers are often portraited with eagle hilts and, besides the statues at Venezia, there is a fragmentary statue with an eagle hilt sword at Istambul.<br>
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Aitor <p></p><i></i>
Re: Eagle gladius hilt - Luca - 11-18-2004
Probably I saw it on that ebay auction.<br>
many thanks! <p></p><i></i>
Re: Eagle gladius hilt - Uwe Bahr - 11-18-2004
Avete omnes,<br>
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I think, I have pictures and descriptions of the items You are talking about:<br>
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<img src="http://people.freenet.de/u-bahr/Offiziers-Spatha.jpg" style="border:0;"/><br>
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<img src="http://people.freenet.de/u-bahr/Offiziersdolchgriff.jpg" style="border:0;"/><br>
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I did only copy the descriptions, they are not my texts, IMHO the so called dagger handle could be a sword pommel as well.<br>
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Greets Uwe <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p200.ezboard.com/bromanarmytalk.showUserPublicProfile?gid=uwebahr>Uwe Bahr</A> at: 11/18/04 2:18 pm<br></i>
Re: Eagle gladius hilt - Luca - 11-18-2004
WOW. These are not the images I remember. THESE ARE BETTER!!!!<br>
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Big thanks! <p></p><i></i>
Re: Eagle gladius hilt - Uwe Bahr - 11-18-2004
Fine, that I could help. <p></p><i></i>
Re: Eagle gladius hilt - Daniel S Peterson - 11-22-2004
There is indeed a provenanced, original Roman eagle-headed sword pommel, made of ivory, and in the Mittelrheinisches Landesmuseum, Mainz. It is actually so unusual that the first inclination is that it might have gone on some cheapo Chinese made, fake samurai sword. The eagle is quite realistic with a rather fragile open beak. At one time, l suspect, this cavity was occupied by a serpent's head/neck, as the serpent's body is a coil which forms the grip. Like so many of the Mainz finds, I believe this is of 1st century AD date. Somewhere I have a photo.......<br>
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Dan <p></p><i></i>
Re: Eagle gladius hilt - Luca - 11-22-2004
I have it, I think:<br>
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www.romanhideout.com/imag...dgrips.asp <p></p><i></i>
Re: Eagle gladius hilt - aitor iriarte - 11-22-2004
I didn't know it Does anybody her have a better pic of it?<br>
and, last but not least, welcome back Dan!<br>
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Aitor <p></p><i></i>
Re: Eagle gladius hilt - Crispvs - 11-22-2004
I second that. Welcome back Dan!<br>
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Crispvs <p></p><i></i>
Re: Eagle gladius hilt - Daniel S Peterson - 11-23-2004
Thanks, all. Luca, yes that's it. Seeing it again, I now recall the human masks on the guard as well. Very ununusal, and an interesting piece to reproduce.<br>
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BTW, I believe that ebay eagle head pommel could just as easily be a finial to a wagon, or a number of other objects with no relation to Roman weaponry, not to say that swords of that type didn't exist, I am sure they did.<br>
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Dan <p></p><i></i>
Finnial - Anonymous - 11-24-2004
I kad seen it somewhere described as a whip handle for a charioteer ?<br>
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Conal <p></p><i></i>
Re: Finnial - Daniel S Peterson - 11-25-2004
Yes, even the most mundane objects are purported to be much more than they really are, when the owner is trying to sell them.<br>
Dan <p></p><i></i>
Re: Finnial - Dan Diffendale - 11-25-2004
Speaking of selling, here's a piece in the Royal Athena Galleries:<br>
[url=http://www.royalathena.com/pages/romancatpages/CNH180.html" target="top]www.royalathena.com/pages/romancatpages/CNH180.html[/url]<br>
It's a bronze weight with a bust of Dea Roma clutching an eagle-pommeled sword.<br>
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While we're at it... a "Roman ceremonial dagger" with eagle and duck. No claims at authenticity here.<br>
[url=http://www.trocadero.com/stores/griffingallery/items/279109/item279109.html" target="top]www.trocadero.com/stores/griffingallery/items/279109/item279109.html[/url]<br>
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Hmm, going eagle-crazy here. This is described as a chariot fitting, but I'm not sure on what basis.[url=http://www.trocadero.com/stores/brondavid/items/270079/item270079.html" target="top]www.trocadero.com/stores/brondavid/items/270079/item270079.html[/url]<br>
<p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p200.ezboard.com/bromanarmytalk.showUserPublicProfile?gid=dannoulpius>Danno Ulpius</A> at: 11/26/04 2:07 am<br></i>